Same old Russians, always cheating
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="544799" data-time="1448621826"><p>Interestingly enough Poolerfan, my nephew who is in the police force in South Wales has suggested that there is a real steroid abuse problem been going on for some time - reckons they have to deal with at least one roid-rage issue every weekend. He does hasten to add this is nothing necessarily to do with rugby per se and certainly not at the top level. The slightly worrying thing is that he's not based in Cardiff or Swansea but one of the smaller towns.</p></blockquote>
I've played against a few "roided" up in Wales.<br>
It's a problem with society these days not just rugby but I'd hazard a guess it's more prevalent outside the big cities like Cardiff & Swansea in the valleys. -
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/74632820/rugby-world-cup-doping-test-results-reveal-the-sport-is-clean--world-rugby'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/74632820/rugby-world-cup-doping-test-results-reveal-the-sport-is-clean--world-rugby</a></p>
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<p>Organisers say no positive tests have been recorded from nearly 500 doping samples collected during the Rugby World Cup.</p>
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<p>Tournament organisers have announced the results of the "intelligence-led, targeted" drug-testing programme during the World Cup, which was played in England and Wales in September and October.</p>
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<p>World Rugby says 468 urine and blood tests were carried out across all 20 teams, with 200 in-competition samples and 268 out-of-competition.</p>
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<p>"The programme has recorded no adverse analytical findings to date," World Rugby said in a statement.</p>
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<p>Samples were analysed at the World Anti-Doping Agency-accredited laboratory at King's College in London.</p>
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<p>Samples will be stored for possible future re-analysis.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/74632820/rugby-world-cup-doping-test-results-reveal-the-sport-is-clean--world-rugby'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/74632820/rugby-world-cup-doping-test-results-reveal-the-sport-is-clean--world-rugby</a></p>
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<p>They didn't get Lance to test positive either.</p> -
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<p>They didn't get Lance to test positive either.</p>
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<p>lance had top of the line docters and a much larger drugs budget. but also his testing was much more difficult to dodge. the testing they do in rugby, if you have the money you can cheat quite easily, thing is there isnt a lot of money in rugby. </p> -
<p>Big news coming out of Italy now <span style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"> 26 banned, 39 with cases to answer. This list is basically a "who's who" of Italian track and field over the past decade.</span></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.eurosport.co.uk/athletics/italian-anti-doping-body-calls-for-bans-on-26-athletes_sto5012493/story.shtml'>http://www.eurosport.co.uk/athletics/italian-anti-doping-body-calls-for-bans-on-26-athletes_sto5012493/story.shtml</a></p> -
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sevens/74726492/new-zealand-womens-sevens-team-upset-by-russia-on-opening-day-in-dubai'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sevens/74726492/new-zealand-womens-sevens-team-upset-by-russia-on-opening-day-in-dubai</a></p>
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<p>its a lot easier to cheat testing than people </p>
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<p>lance had top of the line docters and a much larger drugs budget. but also his testing was much more difficult to dodge. the testing they do in rugby, if you have the money you can cheat quite easily, thing is there isnt a lot of money in rugby. </p>
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<p>Its a lot easier to beat tests than people realise </p> -
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<p>its a lot easier to cheat testing than people </p>
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<p>Its a lot easier to beat tests than people realise </p>
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<p>as an individual or an organisation? Say a 'decent' S18 player was all juiced up, would it be easy for hiim to get past the tests or would he need more 'support'?</p> -
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<p>as an individual or an organisation? Say a 'decent' S18 player was all juiced up, would it be easy for hiim to get past the tests or would he need more 'support'?</p>
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if he had legit pharma grade products from a docter he could cheat very easily. <br><br>
it gets harder once they become nz elite and go on to the 24 hour watch programme where drug free sport can test you no matter where you are in the world any day of the year. even then lance had tougher testing than that but he also had a extremely good setup of docters and money</p> -
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/15/former-russian-anti-doping-chief-nikita-kamayev-dies-report'>Former Russian anti-doping chief Nikita Kamayev dies</a></p>
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<p>Rusada says Kamayev, who resigned as agency’s executive director two months ago following doping scandal, had a heart attack at age 52.</p>
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<p>The founder of their anti-doping organization (founded approx. 5 years ago) died earlier this month too.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/16/world/europe/nikita-kamayev-ex-head-of-russian-antidoping-agency-dies.html'>http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/16/world/europe/nikita-kamayev-ex-head-of-russian-antidoping-agency-dies.html</a></p> -
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<p>It wasn't a heart attack, the Russian secret service just made it look like one...</p>
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<p>"In Soviet Russia, you don't do drug. Drug do you!"</p> -
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<p>The founder of their anti-doping organization (founded approx. 5 years ago) died earlier this month too.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/16/world/europe/nikita-kamayev-ex-head-of-russian-antidoping-agency-dies.html'>http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/16/world/europe/nikita-kamayev-ex-head-of-russian-antidoping-agency-dies.html</a></p>
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<p>belongs in the conspiracy thread ;)</p> -
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/79685012/kiwi-olympic-runner-zane-robertson-urges-fellow-athletes-to-come-out-of-the-shadows-on-doping'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/79685012/kiwi-olympic-runner-zane-robertson-urges-fellow-athletes-to-come-out-of-the-shadows-on-doping</a></p>
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<p>Further to my comments about Kenya earlier in the thread.</p>
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<p>Kiwi runner Zane Robertson who knows the Kenyan system inside out has come out swinging. </p> -
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sports/russia-doping-sochi-olympics-2014.html'>http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sports/russia-doping-sochi-olympics-2014.html</a></p>
<p class=""></p><p></p><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">LOS ANGELES — Dozens of Russian athletes at the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, including at least 15 medal winners, were part of a state-run doping program, meticulously planned for years to ensure dominance at the Games, according to the director of the country’s antidoping laboratory at the time.
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<p class="">The director, Grigory Rodchenkov, who ran the laboratory that handled testing for thousands of Olympians, said he developed a three-drug cocktail of banned substances that he mixed with liquor and provided to dozens of Russian athletes, helping to facilitate one of the most elaborate — and successful — doping ploys in sports history.</p>
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<p class="">It involved some of Russia’s biggest stars of the Games, including 14 members of its cross-country ski team and two veteran bobsledders who won two golds.</p>
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<p class="">In a dark-of-night operation, Russian antidoping experts and members of the intelligence services surreptitiously replaced urine samples tainted by performance-enhancing drugs with clean urine collected months earlier, somehow breaking into the supposedly tamper-proof bottles that are the standard at international competitions, Dr. Rodchenkov said. For hours each night, they worked in a shadow laboratory lit by a single lamp, passing bottles of urine through a hand-size hole in the wall, to be ready for testing the next day, he said.</p>
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<p class="">By the end of the Games, Dr. Rodchenkov estimated, as many as 100 dirty urine samples were expunged.</p>
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<p>None of the athletes were caught doping. More important, Russia won the most medals of the Games, easily surpassing its main rival, the United States, and undermining the integrity of one of the world’s most prestigious sporting events.</p></blockquote>
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<p class=""></p><p></p><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">After the report came out, Dr. Rodchenkov said, Russian officials forced him to resign. Fearing for his safety, he moved to Los Angeles, with the help of Mr. Fogel.
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<p>Back in Russia, two of Dr. Rodchenkov’s close colleagues <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/16/world/europe/nikita-kamayev-ex-head-of-russian-antidoping-agency-dies.html'>died unexpectedly</a> in February, within weeks of each other; both were former antidoping officials, one who resigned soon after Dr. Rodchenkov fled the country.</p></blockquote>
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<p>There's a lot more at the link. Fuck Russia.</p> -
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<p>There's a lot more at the link. Fuck Russia.</p>
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<p>And the Olympics. I'm totally turned off that corrupt, shitty organisation. For that matter, drug users can take a goddamn hike</p> -
<p>wow. that's kind of awesome though, getting the spies and shit involved. </p>
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<p>And the latest...</p>
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<p>The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) had recently revealed a report which stated that Russia had the most number of doping offenders in 2014. Following that report, WADA had asked UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) to carry out several drug tests ahead of the Rio Olympics, which is slated to begin on August 5 this year. But it seems that the UKAD officials are facing major challenges from the Russian authorities, <strong>who have demanded 30 days' notice prior to drug testing visits</strong>. As a result, the UKAD has not been able to carry out the number of desired tests every month.</p>
