NZ v Australia Test #1

MN5

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Gunner" data-cid="558880" data-time="1455528585">
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Pretty fecking disappointing after all the pre match build up/hype/expectation (is this a Warriors thread?). 
I don't think there will be any major changes, it's a pretty settled team who have done well over the last 18 months, so they'll get an opportunity to redeem themselves. 
I agree with the call to give Henry a run. Bracewell & Wagner have had their chances with mixed success, so I think the time is right (while he's in good form) to bring Henry in and see what he can do. 
IMO Corey is safe for now as there are no fit alternatives. 
Kane will be furious with himself, so I'm sure he'll be extra motivated to do well in Chch. 
BMac surely can't go out with a whimper...... can he???? 
And bloody BJ is waaaaaaay overdue.
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Even though it was Valentines Day yesterday ? stink dude.......

booboo

Taylot and Santner still out of 2nd test :( 
So realistically only change is Henry or Wagner in for Braces. 
Which makes sfa difference to our batting.

booboo

Btw i live Wags. But Braces ain't done much wrong. 
Can't drop Herb coz allrounder. And who else bats? 
Sodhi maybe? But our batting was ceap. Sodhi = bowler not batsman. So how do we fix batting ?

booboo

P.S. shiraz

gollum

Realistically its the same story re our batting. Against the top teams its Kane or Ross to go big with Watling supporting. And Ross is out & Watling is having a pause in his batting before he coasts to 15 test tons.
 
So its Kane. By himself.
 
Also I'd be tempted to bat Craig at 6. People bitch about his bowling (rightly) but given our quality in batting we could do worse than play him as a batting part timer. Anderson is a test 7 or even 8, not a 6.

canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="558892" data-time="1455535116">
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Anderson is a test 7 or even 8, not a 6. </div>
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Neesh is far superior with the bat in tests. Sadly he's crocked too

Siam

Has Watling been playing any cricket lately?
 
Looks stale as and has been getting out outside off for months now
 
edit: form this year, 
 
4c/0s, 47* Northern D v Canterbury <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/content/ground/444258.html'>Mount Maunganui</a> 20 Jan 2016 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/engine/match/917619.html'>LA</a>
6, 1c/0s Northern D v Otago <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/content/ground/58827.html'>Dunedin</a> 17 Jan 2016 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/engine/match/917613.html'>LA</a>
1c/0s Northern D v Central D <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/content/ground/441704.html'>Whangarei</a> 13 Jan 2016 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/engine/match/917607.html'>LA</a> 
56 Northern D v Otago <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/content/ground/441704.html'>Whangarei</a> 10 Jan 2016 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/engine/match/917605.html'>LA</a>
1c/0s, 26 Northern D v Central D <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/content/ground/58865.html'>New Plymouth</a> 6 Jan 2016 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/engine/match/917595.html'>LA</a>
39, 2c/0s Northern D v Auckland <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/content/ground/58793.html'>Auckland</a> 3 Jan 2016 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/engine/match/917589.html'>LA</a>
1c/0s, 21 Northern D v Auckland <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/content/ground/58831.html'>Hamilton</a> 30 Dec 2015 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-australia-2015-16/engine/match/917583.html'>LA</a>

gollum

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="canefan" data-cid="558895" data-time="1455535960">
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Neesh is far superior with the bat in tests. Sadly he's crocked too
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He's not a test 6 either tho'.
 
And yes, he's permanantly broken

canefan

Like Jacob Oram broken

gollum

Easy to forget just how good Oram was. He was a fricking excellent 6 for us, just never fit.
 
His 3 top scores - tons v SA twice & Aussie. No minnow bashing there.
 
And not shihouse SA either, Steyn Pollock Kallis Ntini SA...
 
I'd almost rank him with Bond in terms of "if only he could have been fit for a while"

kiwiinmelb

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="558873" data-time="1455525333">
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As a groundsman, why the hell would you prepare that pitch when you KNOW your home captain is incapable of winning the toss?
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Just my theory,
 
I suspect against Australia , the temptation of getting into a wining position on day 1 was worth the gamble of a supposed 50-50 toin coss , 
 
On an even money wicket , Australia holds the advantage anyway

Gunner

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="558886" data-time="1455533199">
Even though it was Valentines Day yesterday ? stink dude.......</blockquote>Tell me about it. 
With a 10 week old Gunner Jnr in the house, the odds were never in my favour.

canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="558908" data-time="1455542541">Easy to forget just how good Oram was. He was a fricking excellent 6 for us, just never fit. 
 
His 3 top scores - tons v SA twice & Aussie. No minnow bashing there. 
 
And not shihouse SA either, Steyn Pollock Kallis Ntini SA... 
 
I'd almost rank him with Bond in terms of "if only he could have been fit for a while"</blockquote>I was at Eden Park when he and Cairns scored centuries vs SA. What a great day

hydro11

Anderson is definitely a better batsman than Craig. Craig has relied on not outs for his average. Anderson can bat at number 6, he just has to contribute with the ball. He is not one of the 6 best batsmen in New Zealand.

MN5

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Tell me about it. 
With a 10 week old Gunner Jnr in the house, the odds were never in my favour.
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That's the time you put them somewhere where you can't hear them and bank on the fact their immobility will mean they stay in the same place for at least a minute or two which should be all you need.
 
I'm banking on the Caps to come back far stronger as is often the case with them, whether it's enough to even threaten a win is another story but they will show more guts and the aforementioned top order will do better.
 
I'm not sure if the Neesh is quite at Oram levels of brokenness is he ? As a like for like replacement of Anderson he is very appealing.
 
I'm also curious as to the reasons why people think he's not a test six. two tons in a brief career would indicate otherwise.

booboo

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Anderson is definitely a better batsman than Craig. Craig has relied on not outs for his average. Anderson can bat at number 6, he just has to contribute with the ball. He is not one of the 6 best batsmen in New Zealand.</blockquote>
 
Who are? given Taylor and Santner are out.

hydro11

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="558936" data-time="1455571776">
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Who are? given Taylor and Santner are out.
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Who are? given Taylor and Santner are out.
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Dean Brownlie is injured I think but he is definitely better than Anderson. Not sure how long he is out for. I think Will Young is definitely a better player although he is still a bit green. There are a couple more with better FC batting records than Anderson but without seeing them play much it is hard to judge. One of them is even called Ben Smith (although he happens to be an opener).
 
I think Anderson definitely warrants selection if you feel you need a 5th bowling option. I would probably still pick him.

hydro11

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="558929" data-time="1455568310">
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That's the time you put them somewhere where you can't hear them and bank on the fact their immobility will mean they stay in the same place for at least a minute or two which should be all you need.
 
I'm banking on the Caps to come back far stronger as is often the case with them, whether it's enough to even threaten a win is another story but they will show more guts and the aforementioned top order will do better.
 
I'm not sure if the Neesh is quite at Oram levels of brokenness is he ? As a like for like replacement of Anderson he is very appealing.
 
I'm also curious as to the reasons why people think he's not a test six. two tons in a brief career would indicate otherwise.
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Neesham has a good record over his 9 tests. At the very least he deserves the opportunity to prove himself as a number 6.

MN5

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Neesham has a good record over his 9 tests. At the very least he deserves the opportunity to prove himself as a number 6.
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First class average in the mid 30s and young enough to get that considerably better. I know cricket is one of those games where sometimes guys get tons ( I mean a Windies out and out paceman got one against the BCs and has got fuck all since ) but two in nine tests is a wonderful return so far.
 
It's a funny old rule of thumb the batting order in a cricket team. Number 6 is generally someone who bowls more than a bit ( although Alan Border batted there when he was easily the best bat in his team, ditto Viv Richards ), 7 is the keeper and 8 is the bowler who is the best batsman ( supposedly ). Things can and do chop and change though and as they develop they move up the order ( Cairns, Oram and Vettori being modern examples ) but the BCs have floated the idea of Watling as a genuine 6 with Neesh at 7 and the bowlers. I think this might be an option. I think in the modern game especially guys have to be prepared to do a shitload of bowling at times then if the team finds themselves 40-4 they have to come in and bat earlier than they wanted to where as an opening batsman might have done nothing but stand in the outfield all day then could have gone for a golden. It's just the way it is and your playing role in the team suits your abilities and talents much like the variety of positions in any team sport.

taniwharugby

I see Veitch and some of his cronies are still stirring the pot about the no-ball.
 
Shame there is actually a small amount of good stuff that pops up on his page, as I'd un-follow it with the so often angst-ridden-moronic posts that make MN5 look like a dead set genius!

The Silver Fern

NZ v Australia Test #1