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@canefan said in US Politics:
@barbarian as a not so long departed poster used to say, don't trust the polls. Anything can happen. Trump will keep his base, it remains to be seen if the Dems voters can get suitably motivated to vote him out.
Maybe the Dems might actually try and campaign in Michigan this time. Who knows...
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@barbarian as a not so long departed poster used to say, don't trust the polls. Anything can happen. Trump will keep his base, it remains to be seen if the Dems voters can get suitably motivated to vote him out.
Swing States aren't looking that flash for Trump at the moment and who knows what will happen to the black vote, or if Biden can provide sufficient assurances that will actually get the numbers even voting.
As we learned last time, the electoral college system can be the deciding factor if you let things be close enough.
A bit like giving the ref an opportunity to influence the result in a rugby game.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@barbarian as a not so long departed poster used to say, don't trust the polls. Anything can happen. Trump will keep his base, it remains to be seen if the Dems voters can get suitably motivated to vote him out.
Swing States aren't looking that flash for Trump at the moment and who knows what will happen to the black vote, or if Biden can provide sufficient assurances that will actually get the numbers even voting.
As we learned last time, the electoral college system can be the deciding factor if you let things be close enough.
A bit like giving the ref an opportunity to influence the result in a rugby game.
I'm not sure Biden captures the imagination. He just has to play it straight and hope that Trump motivates enough people to come out and vote against him. If they get too petty it will devolve into a slanging match and Trump is quite adept at those
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@barbarian as a not so long departed poster used to say, don't trust the polls. Anything can happen. Trump will keep his base, it remains to be seen if the Dems voters can get suitably motivated to vote him out.
Swing States aren't looking that flash for Trump at the moment and who knows what will happen to the black vote, or if Biden can provide sufficient assurances that will actually get the numbers even voting.
As we learned last time, the electoral college system can be the deciding factor if you let things be close enough.
A bit like giving the ref an opportunity to influence the result in a rugby game.
I'm not sure Biden captures the imagination. He just has to play it straight and hope that Trump motivates enough people to come out and vote against him. If they get too petty it will devolve into a slanging match and Trump is quite adept at those
Agree on the 'play it straight' part.
Biden will need to look like the adult in the room offering leadership without being condescending.
He does need to offer something though, and not rely on an 'anti' vote. If he offers nothing or a return to pre-Trump many of the voters that wanted 'any sort of change' will just not vote.
I think non-votes will hurt Biden more than Trump.I would like to see him enter debates ready to call fact checks on Trump's lies.
Whether Biden and the Dems can actually offer anything other than 'get rid of Trump' remains to be seen. He isnt the most inspiring pick.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
I think the bigger problem than trump or Biden is that the losing side will not accept the result and the whole thing will fester.
We really need an alien attack very soon 😉
A MAGA uprising? That would not turn out well.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
I think the bigger problem than trump or Biden is that the losing side will not accept the result and the whole thing will fester.
We really need an alien attack very soon 😉
A MAGA uprising? That would not turn out well.
As compared to the last 4 years from the democrats? 🤔. It's all shit mate, same as brexit. Can we get losing graciously and committing to betterment within the rules on a national curriculum? 😁
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
I was a little concerned after Corona but I think the footage of the last few nights settles it.
Congrats on 4 more years Mr Trump.
Mate, this is a truly bizarre attitude and conclusion.
These protests are no longer characterised by 'racial justice' they are now representative of random assaults on the street, vandalism, arson, destruction of peoples livelihoods and multiple murders (unsure how much footage is circulating in msm but their is plenty on social potentially further discrediting the CNN types ). Democrats have largely been in support of the protests (and antifa) while Republicans have largely been against and Trump in particular has been strongly against. Support for Federal & Military action to shutdown the protests is now in the majority (https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2020/06/01181629/2005131_crosstabs_POLICE_RVs_FINAL_LM-1.pdf) and democrat State representatives have proven they will not help protect people or property, a terrific advertisement for the importance of the 2nd amendment.
Not holding my breath for BLM to actually give a damn about David Dorn or any other casualty of this. Black lives only matter to these people if it achieves a political aim.
Hang on. You have fallen into the trap of not seperating the actual peaceful protests from those looking to take advantage of civil disobedience. It isn't a party line thing at all. People regardless of political slant are against assault, looting, rioting etc (as shown by laws agreed as such)
Don't get me wrong I agree that peaceful protest and rioters and thugs are different entities but these protests are now characterised by these events. When people look back to this they are going to see the murders, assaults, burnt out businesses. This is not a 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. This is an orgy of destruction.
Funnily enough Stuff aren't covering it any more, CNN not doing much better, I'd be guessing the usual outlets are turning a blind eye, god forbid news be reported. Social media giants are coming to the party and nixing videos that don't back the 'peaceful protestors, evil police' narrative, thank god some folk are taking records.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Don't get me wrong I agree that peaceful protest and rioters and thugs are different entities but these protests are now characterised by these events. When people look back to this they are going to see the murders, assaults, burnt out businesses. This is not a 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. This is an orgy of destruction.
I disagree. Once again the historical significance of this is still incredibly unclear. There's a chance this is a real tipping point in race relations in the US. What that leads to I'm not sure, but I think your political perspective is shining through with statements like the above. You are seeing these things, therefore you assume everyone is. I'm not sure that is the case at all.
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@barbarian said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Don't get me wrong I agree that peaceful protest and rioters and thugs are different entities but these protests are now characterised by these events. When people look back to this they are going to see the murders, assaults, burnt out businesses. This is not a 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. This is an orgy of destruction.
I disagree. Once again the historical significance of this is still incredibly unclear. There's a chance this is a real tipping point in race relations in the US. What that leads to I'm not sure, but I think your political perspective is shining through with statements like the above. You are seeing these things, therefore you assume everyone is. I'm not sure that is the case at all.
Totally fine to disagree on this. No doubt watching footage of multiple murders in the last couple of days coupled with reporting of 'peaceful protests' is going to slant my view. If joe public got access to this footage too I'd wager their view would change substatially.
Here's a running list of victims, for as long as Twitter allows it being up.
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
Excited delirium is a thing. As is the observation that consultants tend to provide the outcomes you hired them for...
The broader problem is competing autopsies make the prosecutor's job much harder.
One thing that complicates these autopsies is the Dr that is usually involved
There's a massive amount of money in cases like this so they get the best doctor they can. One doctor has gotten so much experience he's become the default choice - Dr Micheal Baden
There's nothing wrong with paying for the best but it does make conspiracy theorists get over excited when they see the cases he's been involved in: JFK, OJ, Phil Spector, Aaron Hernandez, Michael Brown, Jeffrey Epstein and now this case.
He used to tell some funny stories about autopsies on 'Red Eye' years ago.. he's seen a lot of weird shit
If only Fahmy Malak was still alive.
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@JC said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
Oh and can we stop the slander of John McClane? He was a hero.
Was? Don’t tell me he’s dead too.
Yep, big reveal right at the end. He's a ghost.
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@Bones said in US Politics:
@JC said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
Oh and can we stop the slander of John McClane? He was a hero.
Was? Don’t tell me he’s dead too.
Yep, big reveal right at the end. He's a ghost.
John McClane was Patrick Swayze?
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@MajorRage said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
@JC said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
Oh and can we stop the slander of John McClane? He was a hero.
Was? Don’t tell me he’s dead too.
Yep, big reveal right at the end. He's a ghost.
John McClane was Patrick Swayze?
Well there's a common denominator innit.
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@barbarian said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Don't get me wrong I agree that peaceful protest and rioters and thugs are different entities but these protests are now characterised by these events. When people look back to this they are going to see the murders, assaults, burnt out businesses. This is not a 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. This is an orgy of destruction.
I disagree. Once again the historical significance of this is still incredibly unclear. There's a chance this is a real tipping point in race relations in the US. What that leads to I'm not sure, but I think your political perspective is shining through with statements like the above. You are seeing these things, therefore you assume everyone is. I'm not sure that is the case at all.
Not sure I agree with the above Barb's. The violence and looting is far outweighing the peaceful protests at the moment. People aren't calling the US a mess because of people holding vigils and going about things in a civilised manner. Will it stay this way and this be the lasting characteristic of the time period? There will have to be real change for that to happen, and I can't see any pivot point at the moment for it.
When this calms down, I think history will look back at this for 3 main things
- The crime
- The criminal reaction
- The Trump reaction.
All of which, are sadly shocking.
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@MajorRage genuinely, what's been shocking about the trump reaction? You think his quote is defining?
From the little I've seen his addresses to the nation have been pretty reasonable and met with majority approval.If it's just his use of the 1967 phrase, then ok, I understand that point of view
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@MajorRage genuinely, what's been shocking about the trump reaction? You think his quote is defining?
From the little I've seen his addresses to the nation have been pretty reasonable and met with majority approval.If it's just his use of the 1967 phrase, then ok, I understand that point of view
I don't feel that anything he is doing is really trying to calm down the situation. He may not be trying to enflame it, but its very easy to take the piss out of everything he does. From the tweets, to the photo op in front of the church of him holding the bible, to turning all the lights off in the white house. It comes across to me like a series of poorly thought out statement points, as opposed to any sort of real address of resolving the issues.
It doesn't seem or feel Presidential at all. I know that's not his style, and it's worked for a lot of things over the past 3 years. But different times call for different measures.
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