NZ v Australia Test #1
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="557947" data-time="1455150554"><p>
So he doesn't take wickets and leaks runs but it's ok cos he provides "variation" huh ?</p></blockquote>He does take wickets. He's taken plenty of 3rd/4th innings wickets. And produced 3 match winning performances in his 15 odd tests. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Immenso Rapido" data-cid="557945" data-time="1455149677"><p>Craig has alternated between bloody marvellous and bloody awful. The issue isn't that Craig is useless, it's that he's terribly inconsistent. Not just between games, but inconsistent between days or spells.<br><br>
Craig is the least of our concerns though. This is the weakest we've looked for about 3 years.<br><br>
Taylor out and Baz no longer the 2014 version, and Corey looking scratchy. This is our weakest middle order since Cape Town.<br><br>
Boult and Southee both having listless injury disrupted seasons.<br><br>
4. Nicholls<br>
5. McCullum<br>
6. Anderdon<br>
Is powder puff soft. God help us if Ronchi is at 7.<br><br>
Likely team<br>
Latham<br>
Guptill<br>
Williamson<br>
Nicholls<br>
McCullum <br>
Anderson <br>
Watling <br>
Craig<br>
Wagner<br>
Southee<br>
Boult</p></blockquote>
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<p>He does take wickets. He's taken plenty of 3rd/4th innings wickets. And produced 3 match winning performances in his 15 odd tests.</p>
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<p>What he said - some of you have short memories. Craig did a good job in England. The problem in Oz was that when we needed him to do the Vettori role, he kept bowling half-trackers so the Aussies just milked him for easy runs. There's a lot to like about Craig, he's tall, has a nice action and does turn it - but he also needs consistency if he is going to keep the test spot for long.</p> -
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<p>What he said - some of you have short memories. Craig did a good job in England. The problem in Oz was that when we needed him to do the Vettori role, he kept bowling half-trackers so the Aussies just milked him for easy runs. There's a lot to like about Craig, <strong>he's tall,</strong> has a nice action and does turn it - but he also needs consistency if he is going to keep the test spot for long.</p>
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<p>The fuck ? has this turned into some gay dating site when I wasn't looking ? Would you like to Waj him too ?</p> -
<p>Dougs in</p>
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<p>Craig is the least of our concerns though. This is the weakest we've looked for about 3 years.<br><br>
Taylor out and Baz no longer the 2014 version, and Corey looking scratchy. This is our weakest middle order since Cape Town.<br><br>
Boult and Southee both having listless injury disrupted seasons.<br><br>
4. Nicholls<br>
5. McCullum<br>
6. Anderdon<br>
Is powder puff soft. God help us if Ronchi is at 7.<br><br>
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<p>So much this. If Watling can't find some runs as well, it's a dangerous (for us) looking lineup. </p>
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<p>I'm not a selector, so maybe i am missing something, but how can our form bowler of the summer not get a run? He's taken a bucketfull of wickets by pitching it up, bowling quick, and letting the ball do the work. Surely that's test bowling 101?</p> -
<div><strong>New Zealand:</strong> Martin Guptill, Tom Latham, Kane Williamson, Henry Nicholls, Brendon McCullum (captain), Corey Anderson, BJ Watling, Doug Bracewell, Mark Craig, Tim Southee, Trent Boult.</div>
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<div><strong>Australia:</strong> Joe Burns, David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith (captain), Adam Voges, Mitchell Marsh, Peter Nevill, Peter Siddle, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Jackson Bird.</div> -
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<p>So much this. If Watling can't find some runs as well, it's a dangerous (for us) looking lineup. </p>
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<p>I'm not a selector, so maybe i am missing something, but how can our form bowler of the summer not get a run? He's taken a bucketfull of wickets by pitching it up, bowling quick, and letting the ball do the work. Surely that's test bowling 101?</p>
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<p>I agree. I think Southee is very lucky to be in given his lack of cricket due to injury, and then before injury lack of form. He is starting to live off past glories to the detriment of Henry getting a shot.</p> -
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<p>Oh oh here comes a stat<br><br>
Bowling SR's<br><br>
Vettori 79<br>
Is Shodi 83<br>
Mark Craig..... 69</p>
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<p>SR is less important for a spinner I think. The debate was really Sodhi vs Craig and neither has a great record in the longer formats. Santner's FC record is terrible as well. 4 quicks plus Anderson just wasn't very likely.</p> -
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I agree. I think Southee is very lucky to be in given his lack of cricket due to injury, and then before injury lack of form. He is starting to live off past glories to the detriment of Henry getting a shot.</p></blockquote>
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Yeah. I pretty much agree on this one.<br><br>
I don't think Henry is a 3rd seamers asshole, so no complaints on Wagner or Bracewell being selected ahead of him. But I think he should be really challenging Southee at the moment for that new ball spot.<br><br>
We've got good bowling depth. But so far we've only used that depth to rotate S & B out of the short formats. I reckon Southee is a better bowler than Henry, he has more tools, but if you have an injury disrupted and out of form guy then rotate him out.<br><br>
It's easy for us to say thus stuff, but Hesson is going to need these guys to perform after they've been dropped and recalled, so has more skin in the game. However I think Southee could easily be rotated out due to lack of game time in this situation and no one's ego needs to be roughed up. -
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<p>I agree. I think Southee is very lucky to be in given his lack of cricket due to injury, and then before injury lack of form. He is starting to live off past glories to the detriment of Henry getting a shot.</p>
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<p>Hardly lucky, he's been our senior bowler for a number of years now. A short term injury break isn't going to change that.</p> -
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<p>Hardly lucky, he's been our senior bowler for a number of years now. A short term injury break isn't going to change that.</p>
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<p>I'm not saying drop him from the squad. But you've got an out of form player coming back from injury against a fully fit and firing player that has been taking a bucket load of wickets all summer. Rotating Southee out while he gets some decent cricket under his belt is the smart thing to do, IMO. Hesson's opinion obviously is to play him, and he is closer to the action then me so will have a better idea of how he is travelling. But on the face of it we are just picking him on past glories.</p>
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<p>And if Southee takes a bag of wickets tomorrow you'll all have me to thank.</p> -
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<p>Craig has alternated between bloody marvellous and bloody awful. The issue isn't that Craig is useless, it's that he's terribly inconsistent. Not just between games, but inconsistent between <strike>days or spells</strike> balls.</p>
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<p>The fuck ? has this turned into some gay dating site when I wasn't looking ? Would you like to Waj him too ?</p>
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<p>I don't know if you have watery eyes from choking on Gayle-sized wood too often, but height is a handy attribute for a spinner in terms of extracting extra bounce from otherwise benign surfaces. </p>
