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NTA

Of course. But not a swimming pool unless it's a school swimming carnival, and at all times they have teaching supervision. I expect those teachers to be responsible for their well being, as if it were the school yard. 
If I take them to the local pool, I'm required as part of the conditions of entry to keep my 8yo within reach, and be responsible for my 11 yo. 
Does that make me a helicopter parent in your eyes?

NTA

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Nick, you have no idea what the situation was or where the parents may or may not have been. Pretty farked up to blame them for anything without knowing any of the details.
 
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I missed this while scrolling on the phone - you're absolutely right. Me saying "parents" in the context of not knowing where they were, is shoddy. So you and Baron are on the money there.
 
Here was my original assumption: it was a public pool where the parents had taken the kid for a swim. 
 
Reading the <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/05/ten-year-old-boy-brutally-raped-by-iraqi-migrant-at-pool-in-vienna/'>original article from breitbart</a> : the boy was dragged into a change cubicle and assaulted. Afterward he reported the incident to a lifeguard, and then police were called. So its one of two things:
 
1) the place was so crowded that no-one could hear the kid screaming in the change rooms.
 
2) the place was so empty that no-one could hear the kid screaming in the change rooms.
 
It doesn't mention any parents in the article. I can only assume they, or a responsible adult, were in the facility somewhere. Because in Australia, if I leave a 10yo unsupervised directly by a responsible adult, I get a call from family services, even if its within my own house - and that doesn't count lifeguards or facility staff unless I've specifically entered the child in a program. So the parent's duty of care still stands from my point of view.
 
Further, its not an unreasonable expectation to ensure that responsible adult is mindful a drowning hazard, and to know roughly where the kid is at any given time, and when they'll be back. When we're at the pool, my kids are trained to tell me if they're going to the toilet, and I'll expect them back within a couple of minutes. Otherwise, if I look up and don't see them in that pool, I have to wonder where the fuck they are, and why they've gone without my permission, or if they're going to bob to the surface after copping a stray boot to the head or neck while underwater.
 
I'm not a cotton-wool merchant in this regard - I take my kids swimming in the river, and out bushwalking or camping whenever I can, and try to get them to take risks to push their boundaries. But when we're kayaking, I make them wear life jackets, because its a fucking life lesson.
 
In any case, I'd rather have a little bit of mild paranoia mixed in with my dictatorship, even in the suburbs of good old Sydney, than have to live through what these people are going to live through.
 
 
Because of this incident, they'll turn into the helicopter parents that Baron seems to despise so much.

Baron Silas Greenback

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Of course. But not a swimming pool unless it's a school swimming carnival, and at all times they have teaching supervision. I expect those teachers to be responsible for their well being, as if it were the school yard. 
If I take them to the local pool, I'm required as part of the conditions of entry to keep my 8yo within reach, and be responsible for my 11 yo. 
Does that make me a helicopter parent in your eyes?
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Oh ok... so if your kid was raped at a 'swimming carnival'... you would blame yourself. .... seems strange. 
How do you know this kid was not at a 'swimming carnival'? You know fuck all of the facts which makes your initial comment about the parents just that much more rancid.
 
And would you stop going on about drowning.. for fucks sake... for all you know they might have 5 lifeguards for every kid, it might have been a very shallow pool with lots of lifeguards. You have idea about how well protected the kid was from drowning. You are just using that as some pathetic crutch to hide from your initial ugly comment.
 
Perhaps the parents did exactly the sort of thing you have done in the past with your own kids. Your first comment about them was just nasty.

NTA

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Oh ok... so if your kid was raped at a 'swimming carnival'... you would blame yourself. .... seems strange. 
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 :lol: You're a such a wilfully abrasive fluffybunny, and love to make shit up to suit your prejudices. No, I would hold the school and teachers responsible, and i would hold the pool staff responsible. 
 
But if I left my kid at a fucking public pool without ANY supervision from an adult I trusted, or had appointed through a prior agreement, I'd hold myself greatly responsible for not taking steps to protect my child. So would the law.
 
Back to this incident: based on what I've read, including the fact the lifeguard was the first person the kid told, I can only assume the parents weren't exactly on-hand or they would be the first person the kid would run to. I assume that it wasn't a swimming carnival, because that wasn't mentioned either, as well as the fact that the perpetrator was still in the pool area where you'd expect the school or organisation responsible to have the place to themselves, and not allow members of the general public due to safety concerns. And if it WAS a swimming carnival, that definitely would have been mentioned.
 
Though it was breitbart, so maybe they just excluded a lot of detail about the circumstances so they could concentrate on "immigrant" and "Iraq". Fuck, imagine if they clearly identified him as a Muslim! 
 
So, am I a helicopter parent? Because I don't want to burden others with a responsibility unless the lines are perfectly clear.
 
Don't you supervise your kids at the pool? You rely completely on the lifeguards to keep an eye on every moving body in that place, if we're assuming there was a crowd of people. What about the beach? You just sit back and expect the lifeguards to know everything that is happening?
 
I check on my kids every couple of minutes in the pool at home, particularly if there is no screaming or arguing, because silence means something is wrong, particularly if they're in there by themselves. One slip, crack your head on the side, face down and gone. Driest continent on earth, but had it drummed into me from very early on the dangers of water. So yes I will continue on about "drowning" because its a real thing, and you don't get a second chance at that.

taniwharugby

isnt Antarctica the driest continent...

NTA

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isnt Antarctica the driest continent...
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Snow counts as precipitation, doesn't it? I hear they get a fair bit of that.

taniwharugby

Antarctica is a desert...great thread dviversion huh

NTA

Its a good one. And now I'm going to google "driest continent on earth" - though maybe we only brag about it instead of actually having that in our quiver.
 
I'll just admit I'm wrong for mentioning the word "parent" without all the facts. That'll make everyone happy. Except for that poor fucking kid and his family.

NTA

Here we go: driest INHABITED continent. Sorted, if somewhat qualified.

taniwharugby

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Here we go: driest INHABITED continent. Sorted, if somewhat qualified.
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haha, knew you'd grab on that...
 
But there you go, you learn shit from the Fern! ;)

Baron Silas Greenback

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Its a good one. And now I'm going to google "driest continent on earth" - though maybe we only brag about it instead of actually having that in our quiver.
 
I'll just admit I'm wrong for mentioning the word "parent" without all the facts. That'll make everyone happy. Except for that poor fucking kid and his family.
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Well if you had just done that at the beginning instead of your usual trick of verbosely dancing around on a pinhead .. would have saved your keyboard a workout.

NTA

Then what the fuck would YOU do for entertainment?

Donsteppa

To avoid this thread becoming home for only the rough stories about refugees...
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/75975323/refugee-family-makes-the-most-of-their-chances-in-lower-hutt'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/75975323/refugee-family-makes-the-most-of-their-chances-in-lower-hutt</a>
 
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Thanusiya Vijayarajan outside the family's new home in Pomare. With a Sir Robert Jones Daughters of Refugees scholarship to help her study medicine in Otago, the 19-year-old says she can see a bright future in her new homeland.
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The Vijayarajan family knew virtually nothing about New Zealand before they were chosen to come here under our refugee quota.
The father, Vijay, knew only that we produced dairy products because the Anchor brand has a foothold in their home nation, Sri Lanka.
But three years after arriving the eldest daughter, Thanusiya - who turns 20 this year - has been accepted into the highly competitive Otago University School of Medicine health science course.
Those who have helped the Vijayarajans since they arrived in 2013 says the drive, work ethic and propensity to "seize whatever opportunities come her way" shown by Thanusiya is mirrored by Vijay, his wife Dharsini, their son Java, 17, and their youngest daughter Hisho, 10.
Thanusiya said they fled civil war in Sri Lanka in 2006. "We had to flee to survive."
 
As refugees for seven years in Malaysia, and then in a camp in Indonesia, their life in tents was tough. There was no work.
Thanusiya agrees they all found it cold when they first arrived in New Zealand, "and still", but she won't countenance a bad word said about their new home.
"This is the best country in the world," she told us.
Despite having very little English to start with, Thanusiya made the very most of ESOL classes at Hutt Valley High School and also excelled in science subjects. 
 
She recently learned she had been granted a prestigious Sir Robert Jones Daughters of Refugees scholarship that will support her right throughout her medicine studies at Otago, "as long as I keep my grades up.
 
"My ambition is to be a doctor but the main focus is to help the community because I know the pain...I have been suffering for seven years as a refugee."
If she graduates, that doesn't mean working as a doctor overseas. "We have many to help here."
 
Hutt Valley High careers advisor Penny Clark, who has worked with the family in a personal capacity and via the schools refugee family unit (teacher aides, English classes, an after-school homework programme, etc), said she was in awe of the family's work ethic. Java gave up his beloved cricket to work two jobs after school; Vijay, a joiner by trade, is a valued employee at Thermal Frame in Alicetown.
After "living on a shoestring" for a long time, Clark said, the family has just bought once of the new houses in Pomare's Riverside Gardens subdivision.
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jegga

There was a refugee from Afghanistan that made the warriors age grade side a few years back. 
As for the people in your post imagine their dilemma. Living in fear of roving gangs, bombings , shootings the feeling of never being safe and always on edge, living in a war zone probably seems quite tame compared to Lower Hutt

NTA

I shared a post about a guy who was a doctor here after fleeing Iraq in the nineties.
 
Some fucking redneck who I'm friends with by other associations posts up "Well that's ONE!"
 
Fuck's sake.

taniwharugby

I was being mentored at my last job by someone that fled Croatia during the war there and NZ was one of 2 places allowing them in at that time; they were unable to take money out of the country, so was just the family and a suitcase, neither spoke English when they arrived, yet now, both are very successful and well respected in their fields, their kids are excelling both academically and sporting.

mariner4life

some fucking dirtbags called in hoax bomb threats to a bunch of schools across North Queensland yesterday.
 
It took approximately .5 of a second for the first "This is what you get when you allow undesirables in to the country" posts to start on Facebook (not people i know, but you see them if you look at the "trending" screens). The anti-immigration and "attack on our way of life" retards were out in force.

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some fucking dirtbags called in hoax bomb threats to a bunch of schools across North Queensland yesterday.
 
It took approximately .5 of a second for the first "This is what you get when you allow undesirables in to the country" posts to start on Facebook (not people i know, but you see them if you look at the "trending" screens). The anti-immigration and "attack on our way of life" retards were out in force. 
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Yeah. Nothing like living in a land where education is free to those who want it. For example, google showed me this:
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/hacking/evacuation-squad-claims-responsibility-for-series-of-hoax-bomb-threats-to-schools/news-story/cffae7923190a1db4f5ad58e33c965c1'>http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/hacking/evacuation-squad-claims-responsibility-for-series-of-hoax-bomb-threats-to-schools/news-story/cffae7923190a1db4f5ad58e33c965c1</a>
 
 
 
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">A RUSSIAN hacker group claims it is responsible for a series of hoax bomb threats to dozens of schools around the world.
 
Evacuation Squad, a pro-Putin cyber group, says it made the phone calls that caused major disruption at schools in New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria over the past few days as well as the UK, Hawaii, Paris, Japan, the US and Guam over the past few weeks.
 
It is understood some of the phone calls featured an electronic voice message, however it is not clear if all schools received an electronic message.
 
The hackers have now warned they intend to carry out more bomb threats over the coming days.
 
Spokesman Viktor Olyavich said the group carried out the threats in Australia because they were â€œfunnyâ€ and highlighted that Europe would be next.
 
â€œYes, we are responsible for Mondayâ€™s threats,â€ Olyavich, told <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://mashable.com/2016/02/01/school-bomb-threats/#Bbc7rGUTRiqo'>Mashable Australia</a>. â€œWe do these threats because they are funny to us.
 
â€œWe are preparing to do schools across Europe as we speak. We donâ€™t worry about the consequences, because our main threat-makers are based in Russia and Iran.
 
â€œWe are doing so many at once due to a stolen VOIP account that has a trove of calling credit.â€
 
According to reports, Evacuation Squad posted a note to the Pastebin website offering to call in bomb threats at schools, businesses and sport grounds in exchange for $5 to $20 Bitcoin payments.
 
Despite requesting a form of payment, Olyavich said their current campaign was being done for free.
 
â€œWe are not charging for Bitcoin just yet,â€ he told Mashable. â€œOur threats are free of charge until March 2016.â€
 
Since claiming responsibility for the hoax calls via social media, the groupâ€™s Twitter handles @Ev4cuati0nSquad and @SwatTheW0rld have been suspended.
 
But before they were taken offline, the group used the hashtags #SWATTED and #SwatTheWorld in reference to a type of hoax known as â€œswattingâ€ in the US, where emergency services are deliberately duped into deploying armed units or bomb squads, The Independent reported.
 
According to the UK paper, the â€œEvacuators 2K16â€ account, which has since been suspended, also announced its support for Bashar al-Assadâ€™s Syrian regime and claimed it was controlled by â€œsix individuals based internationallyâ€.
 
Another tweet read: â€œWant to get out of school for a day? Want to divert the police away from a crime youâ€™re going to commit? Email us.â€
 
A statement from NSW Police said the recent threats were â€œclearly a pattern of hoax calls designed to cause disruption and attract media attentionâ€.
 
â€œThere is no evidence these are anything other than hoaxes designed to cause unnecessary disruption and inconvenience,â€ the statement said. â€œThe threats appear to come from overseas with no credible evidence they could be carried out here.â€
 
Since Friday, there have been four rounds of multiple phone threats made against scores of primary and secondary schools in NSW, Victoria and Queensland.
 
Nick Oâ€™Brien, the associate professor of counter-terrorism at Charles Sturt University, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/whats-behind-the-wave-of-hoax-school-bomb-threats/news-story/3b5dde7a64a66910b38f7fa2cefb4ac5'>told news.com.au</a> the aim of their game was disruption and spreading fear.
 
â€œIf you took a major sporting event, if someone calls with a bomb threat, authorities have to make a decision if they evacuate the event or let it go on,â€ Professor Oâ€™Brien said.
 
The obvious danger was if they did nothing â€” and there was a bomb â€” lives could be lost.
 
â€œThe fact is though terrorists very rarely forewarn of any attacks. The IRA [used to], but they did that purely for disruptive reasons.â€
 
These days such a tactic is rarely used.
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mariner4life

what a bunch of fluffybunnies.

jegga

The Afghani I mentioned played for the roosters in the nines <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Slaimankhel'>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Slaimankhel</a>

The Silver Fern

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