Coronavirus - Overall
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
But having said that I do think we need someone to be the arbiter if what is socially acceptable.
I thought that was Kim Khardashian
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
But having said that I do think we need someone to be the arbiter if what is socially acceptable.
I thought that was Kim Khardashian
Nope, it's Jameela
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@Billy-Tell that's pretty interesting that they're predicting the same financial repercussions that the lockdown countries are expecting (this year).
Would be interesting to see if they predict they will be better off financially in the medium - long term by creating a herd immunity. Maybe they also have no faith in a vaccine ever being created.
You'd be gutted to have lost all those lives only to have the same financial disaster the lockdown countries are heading for.
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@Toddy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Billy-Tell that's pretty interesting that they're predicting the same financial repercussions that the lockdown countries are expecting (this year).
Would be interesting to see if they predict they will be better off financially in the medium - long term by creating a herd immunity. Maybe they also have no faith in a vaccine ever being created.
You'd be gutted to have lost all those lives only to have the same financial disaster the lockdown countries are heading for.
I’m not sure about this herd immunity thing. That assumes it’s the same strain of the virus year in year out. The flu is not like that. More of a concept for bacterial infections. I think there’s pretty overwhelming evidence now that going with the no lockdown idea is a bad one. Here in Switzerland the government is expected to start easing back shortly. So it’ll have been about 6 weeks of pain but the Swiss curve, like NZ, is clearly on the way down. A free for all with no lockdown would have been much much worse.
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@Billy-Tell said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Toddy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Billy-Tell that's pretty interesting that they're predicting the same financial repercussions that the lockdown countries are expecting (this year).
Would be interesting to see if they predict they will be better off financially in the medium - long term by creating a herd immunity. Maybe they also have no faith in a vaccine ever being created.
You'd be gutted to have lost all those lives only to have the same financial disaster the lockdown countries are heading for.
I’m not sure about this herd immunity thing. That assumes it’s the same strain of the virus year in year out. The flu is not like that. More of a concept for bacterial infections. I think there’s pretty overwhelming evidence now that going with the no lockdown idea is a bad one. Here in Switzerland the government is expected to start easing back shortly. So it’ll have been about 6 weeks of pain but the Swiss curve, like NZ, is clearly on the way down. A free for all with no lockdown would have been much much worse.
Not sure the correct epidemiological terminology, but I think they're looking for 'seasonal' herd immunity, which would get them through NH winter. And that at some stage that a vaccine can be found.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
How many people do you think will extend their planned business trip or holiday by two weeks?
Probably not many, hence all the predictions about the demise of international tourism as a significant part of the NZ economy.
The question was rhetorical.
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@Toddy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Would be interesting to see if they predict they will be better off financially in the medium - long term by creating a herd immunity. Maybe they also have no faith in a vaccine ever being created.
Reminds me of this article with Jane Halton:
The Australian woman driving the global search for a COVID-19 vaccine has warned that there is no guarantee of success and the government must have a “plan B” to end the pandemic.
The sobering assessment by Jane Halton, a former federal mandarin who chairs the Bill Gates-backed Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, will dampen hope that a vaccine could be available early next year.
Puncturing the optimism fired by first-stage human trials of a vaccine in the US and accelerated progress towards others here, in China and Israel, Ms Halton said it was “heroic” to assume an answer to the virus would emerge so soon.
Some scientists involved in the CEPI-sponsored program insist that a 12- to 18-month timeline is realistic, but Ms Halton told The Weekend Australian: “If you said we pulled out all the stops and a vaccine was approved and deemed efficacious by the middle of next year, that would be unbelievably quick … we would be ecstatically overjoyed, delighted.
“But I do think it is important not to create unrealistic expectations. No one has ever successfully developed a coronavirus vaccine, and we still don’t have a vaccine against HIV.
“I would never say never. But this is my point about an 18-month timeline: it is heroic, really tough.”
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Reports flying around U.S. media today that virus came from Wuhan lab, Chinese authorities knew it, deflected by blaming wet market. Ordinarily I might relegate it to conspiracy talk, which it is, but this ain’t Infowars, it’s coming from Fox News, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post...
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Reports flying around U.S. media today that virus came from Wuhan lab, Chinese authorities knew it, deflected by blaming wet market. Ordinarily I might relegate it to conspiracy talk, which it is, but this ain’t Infowars, it’s coming from Fox News, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post...
@Tim posted a twitter thread earlier debunking that conspiratorial nonsense. I wouldn't be getting my science from Fox et al.
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@antipodean funny how you single out fox.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean funny how you single out fox.
Why is it funny?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Salacious-Crumb said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean funny how you single out fox.
Why is it funny?
Where do you get your science from, then? Twitter?
The guy you quoted sums up thusly:
“...it appears that the genetic differences in #nCoV2019 are consistent with differences expected to arise during natural evolution,...”
“Appears” means conclusive?
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Salacious-Crumb said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean funny how you single out fox.
Why is it funny?
Where do you get your science from, then? Twitter?
Can't explain why you find it funny?
The guy you quoted sums up thusly:
“...it appears that the genetic differences in #nCoV2019 are consistent with differences expected to arise during natural evolution,...”
“Appears” means conclusive?
You know why experts tend to couch their statements? Because they acknowledge the possibility of new evidence. I'll take people who know what they're talking about over talking foreheads and journalists.
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@antipodean What, I gotta explain comedy now? This might have been the first time, certainly in the past twenty years, that I think I’ve seen-or-heard the Washington Post referred as an “et al” appended in relation to Fox News. Contextually funny. It’s not a huge laugh, but it makes me giggle.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
You know why experts tend to couch their statements?
Yeah, like politicians. Many of these “experts” have helped get us to where we are right now.
Because they acknowledge the possibility of new evidence.
Exactly. Facts on the ground change. And new reports are coming out this hour that the Chinese destroyed evidence.
I’m reading reports. Is it fabricated nonsense? Could be. Don’t shoot the messenger.
I'll take people who know what they're talking about over talking foreheads and journalists.
Okay, so no evidence was destroyed. End of. Next.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean What, I gotta explain comedy now? This might have been the first time, certainly in the past twenty years, that I think I’ve seen-or-heard the Washington Post referred as an “et al” appended in relation to Fox News. Contextually funny. It’s not a huge laugh, but it makes me giggle.
That would be a very generous inference from what you originally implied. For your own future benefit, me typing et al is simply because I couldn't be fucked typing them all out. Had you put WaPo first in your list, it would've been WaPo et al in my response.
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@antipodean It was right there from the first draft. No stealth edits — hell, it’s even in your quote, and I cannot alter that. Washington Post. Wall Street Journal, too. Have a go at them while you’re at it.