NPC v Super Rugby
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@antipodean said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Bovidae said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@antipodean said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Hooroo said in NPC v Super Rugby:
If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.
I don't think that is an option. It's either safe to have the competition (and if it is why not have the full thing)
Revenue. I can't see how the Championship adds any.
Paying Sky customers from those 7 provinces would disagree. There will be many on here who wouldn't bother watching if their team wasn't involved.
Presumably those people watch anyway and yet it costs the NZR to run the comp.
And what is NZR going to do to the players with contracts who aren't playing? If you play for Northland/Southland will you just not get paid? What happens to those unions? Can the NZRU afford to bail them out? Probably not.
They will lose money anyway. Having some form of NPC will just be a way to recoup those losses. It's much easier to cancel the Heartland Championship which is completely amateur.
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@hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@antipodean said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Bovidae said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@antipodean said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Hooroo said in NPC v Super Rugby:
If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.
I don't think that is an option. It's either safe to have the competition (and if it is why not have the full thing)
Revenue. I can't see how the Championship adds any.
Paying Sky customers from those 7 provinces would disagree. There will be many on here who wouldn't bother watching if their team wasn't involved.
Presumably those people watch anyway and yet it costs the NZR to run the comp.
And what is NZR going to do to the players with contracts who aren't playing? If you play for Northland/Southland will you just not get paid? What happens to those unions? Can the NZRU afford to bail them out? Probably not.
They will lose money anyway. Having some form of NPC will just be a way to recoup those losses. It's much easier to cancel the Heartland Championship which is completely amateur.
I'm sure that the NZR is doing the sums. At some point if running the competition costs more that not with all the associated benefits and detriments, they'll make their decision accordingly. Saying "we're losing money anyway" is not conducive to running a business.
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The Championship is part of the professional NPC, so all unions should be included somehow for their financial sakes if nothing else, but it might just be as a first and second division for this year followed by a promotion-relegation match after the finals. Could run that comp in 10 weeks - 7 rounds, Semi-Finals, Finals, promotion-relegations. If it needs to be even shorter, run 3 divisions based on last year's standings (2 of 5 teams, 1 of 4). If it's that or nothing, I'm sure everyone will be on board for this year.
SA are clamping down even harder than NZ on Covid, so we might be able to run a tri-nations at EOY (noting that SA is rather warm...) and 3 country Super again next year, maybe just go back to 12 teams.
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@Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:
The Championship is part of the professional NPC, so all unions should be included somehow for their financial sakes if nothing else, but it might just be as a first and second division for this year followed by a promotion-relegation match after the finals. Could run that comp in 10 weeks - 7 rounds, Semi-Finals, Finals, promotion-relegations. If it needs to be even shorter, run 3 divisions based on last year's standings (2 of 5 teams, 1 of 4). If it's that or nothing, I'm sure everyone will be on board for this year.
SA are clamping down even harder than NZ on Covid, so we might be able to run a tri-nations at EOY (noting that SA is rather warm...) and 3 country Super again next year, maybe just go back to 12 teams.
I'm not sure why it needs to be shorter though. Overseas travel is probably gone for 18 months. We only need 3 months to run Mitre Ten Cup as it is, 4 months to run a full round robin. Start the season in October and end it in December if you have to. At best you are looking at games versus Australia/Australian teams.
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@hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:
The Championship is part of the professional NPC, so all unions should be included somehow for their financial sakes if nothing else, but it might just be as a first and second division for this year followed by a promotion-relegation match after the finals. Could run that comp in 10 weeks - 7 rounds, Semi-Finals, Finals, promotion-relegations. If it needs to be even shorter, run 3 divisions based on last year's standings (2 of 5 teams, 1 of 4). If it's that or nothing, I'm sure everyone will be on board for this year.
SA are clamping down even harder than NZ on Covid, so we might be able to run a tri-nations at EOY (noting that SA is rather warm...) and 3 country Super again next year, maybe just go back to 12 teams.
I'm not sure why it needs to be shorter though. Overseas travel is probably gone for 18 months. We only need 3 months to run Mitre Ten Cup as it is, 4 months to run a full round robin. Start the season in October and end it in December if you have to. At best you are looking at games versus Australia/Australian teams.
Presumably domestic cricket will also restart using some of the same grounds and sharing at least some of the audience, so it would be preferable not to overlap too much.
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@Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:
The Championship is part of the professional NPC, so all unions should be included somehow for their financial sakes if nothing else, but it might just be as a first and second division for this year followed by a promotion-relegation match after the finals. Could run that comp in 10 weeks - 7 rounds, Semi-Finals, Finals, promotion-relegations. If it needs to be even shorter, run 3 divisions based on last year's standings (2 of 5 teams, 1 of 4). If it's that or nothing, I'm sure everyone will be on board for this year.
SA are clamping down even harder than NZ on Covid, so we might be able to run a tri-nations at EOY (noting that SA is rather warm...) and 3 country Super again next year, maybe just go back to 12 teams.
I'm not sure why it needs to be shorter though. Overseas travel is probably gone for 18 months. We only need 3 months to run Mitre Ten Cup as it is, 4 months to run a full round robin. Start the season in October and end it in December if you have to. At best you are looking at games versus Australia/Australian teams.
Presumably domestic cricket will also restart using some of the same grounds and sharing at least some of the audience, so it would be preferable not to overlap too much.
I don't think domestic cricket uses any of the same grounds. Eden Park maybe the only one? Besides, money talks. Mitre 10 Cup will win out over the Plunket Shield - The Super Smash will go hard though.
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@hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:
The Championship is part of the professional NPC, so all unions should be included somehow for their financial sakes if nothing else, but it might just be as a first and second division for this year followed by a promotion-relegation match after the finals. Could run that comp in 10 weeks - 7 rounds, Semi-Finals, Finals, promotion-relegations. If it needs to be even shorter, run 3 divisions based on last year's standings (2 of 5 teams, 1 of 4). If it's that or nothing, I'm sure everyone will be on board for this year.
SA are clamping down even harder than NZ on Covid, so we might be able to run a tri-nations at EOY (noting that SA is rather warm...) and 3 country Super again next year, maybe just go back to 12 teams.
I'm not sure why it needs to be shorter though. Overseas travel is probably gone for 18 months. We only need 3 months to run Mitre Ten Cup as it is, 4 months to run a full round robin. Start the season in October and end it in December if you have to. At best you are looking at games versus Australia/Australian teams.
If trans Ta$man travel was possible, that would be a good option IMO. Australian rugby needs it. The situation here is dire. A mate of mine is the operations manager for the Brumbies and they've been gutted. Those that still have jobs (skeleton staff) are on reduced hours. There's simply no cash reserves in the game.
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@hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:
The Championship is part of the professional NPC, so all unions should be included somehow for their financial sakes if nothing else, but it might just be as a first and second division for this year followed by a promotion-relegation match after the finals. Could run that comp in 10 weeks - 7 rounds, Semi-Finals, Finals, promotion-relegations. If it needs to be even shorter, run 3 divisions based on last year's standings (2 of 5 teams, 1 of 4). If it's that or nothing, I'm sure everyone will be on board for this year.
SA are clamping down even harder than NZ on Covid, so we might be able to run a tri-nations at EOY (noting that SA is rather warm...) and 3 country Super again next year, maybe just go back to 12 teams.
I'm not sure why it needs to be shorter though. Overseas travel is probably gone for 18 months. We only need 3 months to run Mitre Ten Cup as it is, 4 months to run a full round robin. Start the season in October and end it in December if you have to. At best you are looking at games versus Australia/Australian teams.
Presumably domestic cricket will also restart using some of the same grounds and sharing at least some of the audience, so it would be preferable not to overlap too much.
I don't think domestic cricket uses any of the same grounds. Eden Park maybe the only one? Besides, money talks. Mitre 10 Cup will win out over the Plunket Shield - The Super Smash will go hard though.
Plunket Shield is primarily played as a warm up for test cricket on whatever grounds are available, agree that it won't impact anything, but Super Smash and 50 over matches still have some spectator value so should be protected. We also have a series against Aussie to reschedule dependent on everyone's schedules - hopefully would be in 2021 to avoid issues, but who knows.
Also an issue with not clashing for Sky TV though, not just playing venues.
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Play a short Super Rugby amongst NZ teams and then have all the players go back to their clubs for what remains of the club competition that will go on for longer.
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@Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:
@Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:
The Championship is part of the professional NPC, so all unions should be included somehow for their financial sakes if nothing else, but it might just be as a first and second division for this year followed by a promotion-relegation match after the finals. Could run that comp in 10 weeks - 7 rounds, Semi-Finals, Finals, promotion-relegations. If it needs to be even shorter, run 3 divisions based on last year's standings (2 of 5 teams, 1 of 4). If it's that or nothing, I'm sure everyone will be on board for this year.
SA are clamping down even harder than NZ on Covid, so we might be able to run a tri-nations at EOY (noting that SA is rather warm...) and 3 country Super again next year, maybe just go back to 12 teams.
I'm not sure why it needs to be shorter though. Overseas travel is probably gone for 18 months. We only need 3 months to run Mitre Ten Cup as it is, 4 months to run a full round robin. Start the season in October and end it in December if you have to. At best you are looking at games versus Australia/Australian teams.
Presumably domestic cricket will also restart using some of the same grounds and sharing at least some of the audience, so it would be preferable not to overlap too much.
I don't think domestic cricket uses any of the same grounds. Eden Park maybe the only one? Besides, money talks. Mitre 10 Cup will win out over the Plunket Shield - The Super Smash will go hard though.
Plunket Shield is primarily played as a warm up for test cricket on whatever grounds are available, agree that it won't impact anything, but Super Smash and 50 over matches still have some spectator value so should be protected. We also have a series against Aussie to reschedule dependent on everyone's schedules - hopefully would be in 2021 to avoid issues, but who knows.
Also an issue with not clashing for Sky TV though, not just playing venues.
Domestic cricket isn't actually on Sky from next summer. McLean Park is probably the other ground which hosts both cricket and rugby.
I'm not expecting any test matches next season, perhaps there will be games versus Australia.
