New Mitre 10 Cup laws

NTA

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In my opinion (and cue Nick) this is all about Straya and Strayans not understanding rugby and wanting it to be league.
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:lol: Yeah because suddenly WE are the world power in rugby union. :lol: 
 
And :lol: WE are the ones who tell the NZRFU what to do with their domestic comp 
 
IT IS ALL AN AUSSIE PLOT, BRO! :knuppel:
 
Clearly, the boxing day beers are going well in Wide Bay! ;)
 
 :fishing: :good1:
 
 
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WR has been sucked in to thinking there is something wrong with the game that requires fundamental fucking with, where a few minor tweaks would suffice.
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Look at it this way - and this isn't my opinion, just supposition on a potential line of thought whereupon we have arrived at this situation:
 
WR has just seen all its NH unions fail to make a mark at RWC2015. They're going to try SOMETHING but can't impose that sort of shit on their batshit crazy club systems up north.
 
Neither can they push through these kind of Law changes based on the two-year-old Australian domestic competition (and fair enough). 
So they need more proving grounds to see if these things work. They need it to be a rugby heartland with a contained next-tier competition. That rules out Wales because there is too much crossover with Europe, and South Africa because they place too much importance on their Currie Cup and may not have been keen on any overtures.
 
According to the Tony Robson article I read on stuff, these trials won't be restricted to NZ. Maybe the ARU will take on some of these things for the NRC next year as well.
 
As for this:
 
 
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"We don't understand the rules" 
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Squeeky wheel syndrome.
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From <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/75216263/nz-rugby-to-trial-two-refs-new-laws-in-national-provincial-championship-in-2016'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/75216263/nz-rugby-to-trial-two-refs-new-laws-in-national-provincial-championship-in-2016</a>
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Hansen has been vocal about his desire to see changes to simplify the breakdown and create time and space for teams to attack, while Chiefs coach Dave Rennie took part in World Rugby's review process in March this year as a member of a Laws Representation Group.
 
That group presented recommendations to World Rugby in October and following next year's trials any approved changes would come into force in January 2017 in the southern hemisphere and in August that year for the northern hemisphere.</blockquote>
 
Fucking Hansen and Rennie: squeaky wheels extraordinaire!

booboo

It's still crsp and I still blame you Aussies

hydro11

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Nah I think its "penalty try doesn't need a conversion kicked" - so 8 points.
 
I think the simultaneous reduction of penalties and DGs and increase on tries could have been done a different way. I opined during the NRC that it would slowly decrease the role of the long-range goal kicker, given pretty much any penalty is now kicked for touch.
 
Keeping Pen and DG at 3 would have been a better system, with tries at 6.
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As someone else pointed out, tries should be 2 and kicks 1 under that system.

Tim

They should increase a try to six, reduce a conversion to one, but have them from in front of the posts. Then they should allow forward passes and obstruction.

taniwharugby

some Saffer changes being trialled...
 
they do realize the number of tries you score is key, not just more points for a try ;)
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/76287849/francois-pienaar-claims-new-zealand-rugby-envious-of-south-african-innovations'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/76287849/francois-pienaar-claims-new-zealand-rugby-envious-of-south-african-innovations</a>
 
Springboks great Francois Pienaar claims New Zealanders are envious of South African rugby innovations as they get set to trial nine-point tries and three-point conversions.
South Africa will experiment with a radical new scoring formula.
Looking to expand their skills and attacking play, they will use their strong inter-university competition to introduce a system that sees: nine points awarded for moves that started inside a side's own half, seven points awarded for a try that started between the opposition 22m line and the halfway line, and five points awarded for a move that started inside the opponent's 22. Conversions will be worth three points. 
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He believed the system would be followed closely by the world, especially traditional rivals New Zealand.
READ MORE: 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76156918/todd-blackadder-super-rugby-bonus-point-change-process-bizarre'>Todd Blackadder: Super Rugby bonus point change process 'bizarre'</a> 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sevens/76142865/quade-cooper-wonders-how-he-will-stop-sonny-bill-williams-in-sevens'>SBW and Quade's sevens pact</a>
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Francois Pienaar knows what it takes to win a Rugby World Cup and says South Africa must continue to be innovative to stay on the pace at the top of the game.
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"They envy us, and I know from my friends in Australia and New Zealand. They're envious that there is a competition where we can try these things," Pienaar told <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/VarsityCup/pienaar-we-are-the-envy-of-the-world-20160126'>Sport24.</a>
"We started schoolboy rugby on television and in New Zealand they now have schoolboy rugby on television â€¦ they're following us in grassroot sport."
Pienaar, who captained the Boks to 1995 World Cup glory, beating the All Blacks in the final, believed there was sense in encouraging and rewarding attacking play by this radical scoring system.
"What have we got to lose? There is absolutely nothing you can lose. It's trying to promote complete rugby and the emphasis must be on complete rugby ... for all of the skill sets to be available and for players to run the ball and not only be one-dimensional," Pienaar told <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/VarsityCup/pienaar-we-are-the-envy-of-the-world-20160126'>Sport24</a>.
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"For me to try and convince the purist â€¦ I'm a purist â€¦ I'm one of the purist people when it comes to rugby. But I'm also innovative and I understand that there is a platform and a need for South African rugby to have a paradigm shift.
"How do we stay ahead of the world? How do we become the best ruby nation in the world? We have to be innovative â€¦ we have to try stuff."
 - Stuff

pukunui

You've got to be kidding me. Ok why don't we try this system: we have a pannel of five judges. 2 former players from each team and a guess mystery celebrity judge. And after each try they can give the try a score out of 100 based on style and difficulty. Conversions can be worth 23.37% of the try value if kicked with the left foot in the first 42mins of the game. 21.87% gor right foot. After 42mins though that percentage changed to 31.65% gor left foot 26.66% for right foot. However if you are trailing by less that 45 points you get a bonus percentage added to each score depending on how well dressed your supporters are. This system will produce attractive, high scoring games and keep teams from giving up and going home early. Fans will also be encouraged to dress well. 
Im working on the bonus point system and will get back to you.

mariner4life

trust the saffers to come up with something completely retarded. 
 
It seems life is imitating art, with Francois Pienaar turning in to Matt Damon from Team America

Siam

Oh Mariner, you're just envious !
 
I know :idiot2: bizarre

ploughboy

ive always preferred a scoring system where the team i support tries are worth 5 points and the other teams are worth 3

Nepia

Is it April already?

Disgusted of TW

Re the SA trial, picture this scenario
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A team wins a lineout in the oppo 22, and works skilfully through a dozen or more phases before a risky but well executed miss pass sends the winger in at the corner for an unconverted 5, or... alternatively the defending winger intercepts the miss pass and runs the length of the pitch to dot down under the posts for 12.
 
That sort of potential 17 point swing on the outcome of a single pass seems likely to make teams more risk averse the closer they get to the tryline.

booboo

Checks date. Not 1 April. 
The fuck?

taniwharugby

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Disgusted of TW" data-cid="554519" data-time="1453887043">Re the SA trial, picture this scenario 
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A team wins a lineout in the oppo 22, and works skilfully through a dozen or more phases before a risky but well executed miss pass sends the winger in at the corner for an unconverted 5, or... alternatively the defending winger intercepts the miss pass and runs the length of the pitch to dot down under the posts for 12. 
 
That sort of potential 17 point swing on the outcome of a single pass seems likely to make teams more risk averse the closer they get to the tryline. </blockquote>
 
Ah you have uncovered it, they want intercepts worth more, although without Habana and JDV they may have missed the boat....

Stargazer

Good news: some of those insane law trials (possibly) not going ahead! 

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Proposed left-field provincial rugby trial laws set to be scrapped LOGAN SAVORY Last updated 15:50, March 27 2016 
 A couple of proposed left-field trial laws are set to be scrapped from New Zealand's provincial rugby competition this year. New Zealand Rugby announced in December they would introduce some trial laws to the country's premier provincial competition to help with World Rugby's attempt to make the sport a better spectacle. Included in the trial laws was a change to the points scoring system where tries would be increased to six points and penalties reduced to two points. A new off-side line was also set to be introduced where players would have to be one metre back from the hindmost foot. 
 READ MORE: 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/75216263/NZ-rugby-to-trial-two-refs-new-laws-in-national-provincial-championship-in-2016'>NZ rugby to trial two refs, new laws in national provincial championship in 2016</a> 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/75603491/Ben-Strang-Which-proposed-rugby-rule-changes-should-stick-and-why'>Which proposed rugby rule changes should stick and why?</a> 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/75397642/tries-to-be-worth-six-points-in-new-zealand-rugbys-npc'>Tries to be worth six points in the NPC</a> 
 It is understood the 14 top flight provincial coaches met recently and it has been decided to scrap the points scoring change and the rule where defensive players have to be back one metre from the ruck. 
 A majority of the 14 unions had decided to also introduce the trial laws into their premier club competitions in a quest to better prepare the players for the provincial campaign. 
 Concerns had been raised throughout the country over some of the trial laws as teams started to test them in preseason fixtures. 
 Ta$man started their premier club competition on the Saturday following the provincial coaches Friday meeting. 
 After the meeting some hurried phone calls were made to advise clubs some of the trial laws had in fact been scrapped. 
 Rugby Southland referees education officer Kirk Rae confirmed the re-jigged points scoring system and the new off-side line would now not be used in Southland club rugby, despite many teams running preseason fixtures with them. 
 The key trial law that will stay is the definition of a breakdown. 
 As soon as there is one player from the attacking team join the player who has been tackled there is a breakdown and it dictates that no one can use their hands. 
 The traditional 'gate' at a breakdown has also been removed under the trial laws which will remain in place. 
 At the moment If you want to enter the breakdown you must do it from behind the foot of the hindmost team-mate in the ruck. 
 Under the trial law as long as the player comes from their side of the midpoint of the breakdown, they may enter from any angle. 
 
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leytonandamanda

Disappointing! I liked the 6 point try idea. 
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Stargazer

NZRU decisions about the law trials for Mitre10 Cup and other provincial competitions: 

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Law trials for NZ domestic competitions in 2016 Tuesday, April 5, 2016 allblacks.com 
 New rugby laws aimed at making the game safer, simpler and more fun to watch, will be trialled in two of New Zealand's national competitions - the Mitre 10 Cup and Mitre 10 Heartland Championship this year. 
 New Zealand Rugby (NZR), working with World Rugby (WR), is set to roll out law trials that introduce: 
 â€¢ Amendments to laws 15 (tackle) and 16 (breakdown) â€¢ A new points system 
 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://bit.ly/2016lawtrials-onepager'>Click here to find out more about the 2016 law trials in New Zealand. </a> 
 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://bit.ly/LawTrialsFAQ'>Click here to read FAQs about the law trials</a> 
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'>Click here to view the video demonstrating the tackle and breakdown trials.</a> 
 NZR GM Rugby Neil Sorensen said the chance to test new laws represented a unique opportunity for New Zealand to influence the global game. 
 â€œI think itâ€™s always exciting to be part of a process that looks to keep the game fresh and relevant. We are particularly keen to trial these laws as we believe they will help make the game safer to play, will be easier to understand, and as a result more entertaining to watch,â€ Sorensen said. 
 The trials are part of a cyclical law review undertaken by World Rugby every four years, and most recently has involved input from All Blacks Head Coach Steve Hansen and Chiefs Head Coach Dave Rennie. 
 New Zealand coaches and referees have already begun preparing for the implementation of laws proposed for the 2016 Mitre 10 Cup and Mitre 10 Heartland Championship this August. 
 The law trials seek to have tighter and safer controls around the tackle and breakdown, and introduce a new points system. 
 Following a robust review by World Rugbyâ€™s Laws Representative Group (LRG), the law trials may be considered for a global trial in 2017 and possible adoption in 2018. 
 Sorensen said the trials would not be applied to all competitions, but would be managed to provide a clear picture of the impact of the law trials on the game. 
 He said NZR had a strong desire to revise the laws around the breakdown to improve safety, and was leading the process, with significant changes to laws 15 and 16. These laws cover the tackle and ruck respectively and see the ruck renamed the â€˜breakdownâ€™. These amendments will apply to the Mitre 10 Cup which starts on 18 August and are already being trialled in some premier club games. 
 Eight provincial unions - Bay of Plenty, North Harbour, Northland, Otago, Southland, Taranaki, Ta$man and Waikato â€“ have already elected to implement the law trials during their current premier club rugby season. 
 The law trials will be in place for the pre-season Ranfurly Shield challenges from Thames Valley (6 June), King Country (30 July) and Wanganui (6 August), but these unions have not chosen to include them in their premier games. 
 Another law trial will introduce a different scoring system which will be trialled in the Mitre 10 Heartland Championship. The new points system will implement the following: 
 â€¢ 8 pts (penalty try - no conversion kick required) â€¢ 6 pts (try) â€¢ 2 pts (penalty, conversion and drop goal) 
 Click here to <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://bit.ly/2016lawtrials-onepager'>find out more about the 2016 law trials in New Zealand</a>. 
 Sorensen said that NZR would continue to watch the laws being trialled by provincial unions to assess the impacts. 
 â€œThese particular trials may not be the answer, but it is important we look at new ways of improving the game, especially around ensuring the safety of our players on the field,â€ Sorensen said. 
 â€œThese trials will help us to discover how much these law adjustments change the mechanics of how we play the game. We will examine the match data and see if they have had the desired effect of creating a safer and more entertaining game of rugby. We will then make our recommendations to World Rugby.â€ 
 Investec Super Rugby is already trialling one other law trial, which allows a team to kick for and take a lineout if they are awarded a penalty after time is expired. 
 Mitre 10 Cup starts on 18 August and the Mitre 10 Heartland Championship kicks off on 27 August, with both Finals scheduled for 29 October. 
 There was an earlier proposal to consider the use of two referees in games, however, after conversations with World Rugby it will not proceed in this round of law trials. 
 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='

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Hooroo

This will make me want to follow up on Heartland results with the new scoring system.
 
Regarding laws 15 and 16? What is the difference to what we have now?

Stargazer

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This will make me want to follow up on Heartland results with the new scoring system.
 
Regarding laws 15 and 16? What is the difference to what we have now?
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You can find that info here: 
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.allblacks.com/News/28962/faqs-law-trials-2016#6'>http://www.allblacks.com/News/28962/faqs-law-trials-2016#6</a> and, here: 
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://files.allblacks.com/lawtrials/RLC-2016-Summary-Document-PUBLISHED01.pdf'>http://files.allblacks.com/lawtrials/RLC-2016-Summary-Document-PUBLISHED01.pdf</a> (pdf)
 
And in this video:
 
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Damo

I thought we should have a thread to discuss the new laws. 
 
I have an open mind about them. From talking to people who have refereed/watched them at club level, reactions range from optimism to real doom and gloom. 
 
The fear is that we won't see any turnovers at all - it will be like league with unlimted tackles. The optimism is that it means we will see an essential return to rucking, with players competing for the ball by trying to push the other team backwards. 
 
I have an open mind, but I think it will only work if the refs strictly enforce players having to stay upright and on their feet.

Stargazer

Can the moderators please merge this with the existing thread about this topic? 
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/41650-world-rugby-trial-of-proposed-rule-changes-in-2016-npc/'>http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/41650-world-rugby-trial-of-proposed-rule-changes-in-2016-npc/</a>

The Silver Fern

New Mitre 10 Cup laws