The future of NZ Rugby
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@mariner4life said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@mariner4life said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
he doesn't mean the actual allocation of Harbour you fool. He means that there should have been two Auckland franchises. Instead they made two South Island franchises.
See Duluth's response.
see GT12's response
see hooroos response to Tim
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo what a moronically pedantic point. Can you send an email to all the potential Sky subscribers on the Shore and let them know that the Harbour franchise actually went to Hamilton, and having a team in Dunedin was completely independent of that naming convention?
How come? I was just pointing out what happened at the time as Duluth always reminds me how "lucky" we are to have a franchise at Harbours expense.
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They should also consider the number of staff employed at head office as some of them do seem somewhat superflous eg things like womans referees development officer (if one exists!) Come to think of it they should also consider the referees and TMO review committee staff as they seem to see things somewhat differently from the majority of us. They could use the money saved there in an attempt to get some of those officials they employ upskilled in things like detecting obvious forward passes etc (Aussie should do the same with George Ayoub)
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo The internal politics of the decision have no effect on the market failure of not putting a team in Harbour but putting a team in Dunedin. It's completely irrelevant to viewers.
Not the Dunedin or Waikato viewers
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@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
I'd be furious if they canned the NPC .
You realise that doesn't matter right? What actually matters is implementation of a product(s) that aren't loss making. NPC died years ago despite a handful of passionate supporters.
I just hope that the decision they make is a good watch as I haven't watched NPC properly in ten years
Good for you, less so for those of us who prefer the NPC. Plus, it's reliant on them making a product that is profitable, and maybe no product can be successful and separate from the top down structure of NZ rugby.
With this and Oz rugby falling apart I guess I need to find a new sport to follow:
NRL - fucking useless Warriors, I hate origin, it's not the 90s anymore.
AFL - I just don't get aerial ping pong.
Wendyball - I made my decision not to follow it at age 5 so no reason to change that now.
V8's - Holden gone, car racing isn't a sport, and I don't even like cars anyway.
Netball -Hmmm, long legged ladies in skirts, could be a contender. -
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So, what is the best/ a good way forward?
High school footy seems like a potentially lucrative product to me, as long as the TV infrastructure can be set up, while moving all academies to Super teams is a likely move and probably a good one.
The key thing for me is having a Super competition that is engaging. I like pools where teams play against other local teams then there is a secondary competition that follows across borders (like a Heineken Cup).
That would mean (for example) a SA pool, Aus pool, NZ pool, Asian pool (including Fijian teams, for example), Japan pool, Argentinian pool, and potentially a North American pool.
We could have either 14 teams, of which some advance, or 5 or 6 Super teams, of which some advance. On that, it would be interesting to see the modeling, but my feeling is that there is an extra layer that needs removing for our population size - either provincial or Super teams.
My feeling is that younger viewers (i.e., >30 yrs) probably identify with their Super teams anyway, and these are established brands, so the only potential move would be to expand to 6 teams and try to get Harbour and and Northland as one team.
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo Imagine if they invested in their biggest market, what a radical business decision!
Instead they base their most expensive players in Christchurch. Because they are incredibly stupid.
Invested more in the biggest market you mean. Make no mistake, investment was made in Auckland
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@gt12 said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
The key thing for me is having a Super competition that is engaging. I like pools where teams play against other local teams then there is a secondary competition that follows across borders (like a Heineken Cup).
See, I guess this shows how hard it is to have the perfect competition, I'm the opposite, I prefer matches where NZ teams are playing non NZ teams. I hated the NZ teams play each other twice structure. I remember missing more games at that time than in any other era of watching Super Rugby.
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@Nepia said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
I'd be furious if they canned the NPC .
You realise that doesn't matter right? What actually matters is implementation of a product(s) that aren't loss making. NPC died years ago despite a handful of passionate supporters.
I just hope that the decision they make is a good watch as I haven't watched NPC properly in ten years
Good for you, less so for those of us who prefer the NPC. Plus, it's reliant on them making a product that is profitable, and maybe no product can be successful and separate from the top down structure of NZ rugby.
With this and Oz rugby falling apart I guess I need to find a new sport to follow:
NRL - fucking useless Warriors, I hate origin, it's not the 90s anymore.
AFL - I just don't get aerial ping pong.
Wendyball - I made my decision not to follow it at age 5 so no reason to change that now.
V8's - Holden gone, car racing isn't a sport, and I don't even like cars anyway.
Netball -Hmmm, long legged ladies in skirts, could be a contender.Yep. Rugbypass can give probably give access to more rugby in the NH that I would like to watch, but I also don't like watching the sports in your post.
I'd like to watch more European football, but I can only watch the competitions (e.g. Dutch Eredivisie, Italian Serie A) and teams (e.g. Ajax Amsterdam, AZ Alkmaar, AC Milan) I'm interested in via illegal streams.
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@gt12 said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
So, what is the best/ a good way forward?
High school footy seems like a potentially lucrative product to me, as long as the TV infrastructure can be set up, while moving all academies to Super teams is a likely move and probably a good one.For all the history of the NPC, in the modern professional era rugby supporters are going to have to come to terms with the fact that school rugby is the pathway to Super Rugby.
I was having this chat with Tony Brown just last year when he pointed out the best school rugby coaches are paid more than NPC coaches. He said that's the reality of it now.
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@antipodean said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@gt12 said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
So, what is the best/ a good way forward?
High school footy seems like a potentially lucrative product to me, as long as the TV infrastructure can be set up, while moving all academies to Super teams is a likely move and probably a good one.For all the history of the NPC, in the modern professional era rugby supporters are going to have to come to terms with the fact that school rugby is the pathway to Super Rugby.
I was having this chat with Tony Brown just last year when he pointed out the best school rugby coaches are paid more than NPC coaches. He said that's the reality of it now.
My ears are ringing from that name drop, but is that fair dinkum? So they are employed now as a rugby coach only (not teaching too)
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo There is no one in Dunedin.
Be hones, there are nearly 130,000 people there. That's slightly more than Albany (100,000), and Whangarei (75,000).
You make a fair point though. Auckland Region has a third of the population (and growing). Add on 150k from Northland, and there's two franchises right there.
As for those saying the crowds would be terrible, how good would a harbour battle be each year... I think they missed a massive trick with those decisions.
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@antipodean said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@gt12 said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
So, what is the best/ a good way forward?
High school footy seems like a potentially lucrative product to me, as long as the TV infrastructure can be set up, while moving all academies to Super teams is a likely move and probably a good one.For all the history of the NPC, in the modern professional era rugby supporters are going to have to come to terms with the fact that school rugby is the pathway to Super Rugby.
I was having this chat with Tony Brown just last year when he pointed out the best school rugby coaches are paid more than NPC coaches. He said that's the reality of it now.
Surely that should read "highest paid" rather than best. Simply being paid way over the top does not guarantee you are the best eg Tana at that Frog outfit, JK in Japan and Italy etc etc (Philpott in HB!!!!!!!)
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@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@antipodean said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@gt12 said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
So, what is the best/ a good way forward?
High school footy seems like a potentially lucrative product to me, as long as the TV infrastructure can be set up, while moving all academies to Super teams is a likely move and probably a good one.For all the history of the NPC, in the modern professional era rugby supporters are going to have to come to terms with the fact that school rugby is the pathway to Super Rugby.
I was having this chat with Tony Brown just last year when he pointed out the best school rugby coaches are paid more than NPC coaches. He said that's the reality of it now.
My ears are ringing from that name drop, but is that fair dinkum? So they are employed now as a rugby coach only (not teaching too)
I was still sober while we talked. That's why I remember.
