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@Snowy my theory was that the wheels were so hot they got off onto the wet grass
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@taniwharugby said in Planes:
@Snowy forgot to ask, why did the plane go off onto the grass?
I really don't know. Can only assume that they were so busy pissing themselves and picking their undies out of their bums that they weren't watching where they were going.
When I saw it first I thought there was a rapid exit taxiway there, but there can't be because the lights are all wrong. It really should have just sunk in, they normally do. I also wondered if he had damaged the nosewheel steering, but then he should have just stopped. He also turns at the end of the video so it must be working.
So all up - I don't have a bloody clue other than, he really had shat himself and lost the plot.
Would that have been the last time he flew that plane? Isn't it pretty much, one strike and you're out for these types of control events?
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@taniwharugby said in Planes:
@Snowy forgot to ask, why did the plane go off onto the grass?
I really don't know. Can only assume that they were so busy pissing themselves and picking their undies out of their bums that they weren't watching where they were going.
When I saw it first I thought there was a rapid exit taxiway there, but there can't be because the lights are all wrong. It really should have just sunk in, they normally do. I also wondered if he had damaged the nosewheel steering, but then he should have just stopped. He also turns at the end of the video so it must be working.
So all up - I don't have a bloody clue other than, he really had shat himself and lost the plot.
That bit is pretty key for pilots without a lot of military, or small plane experience. Military do things that are borderline crzay in training and especially ops*, small a/c pilots do stupid shit all the time in their work (watch some top dressing pilots with 10k hours - nuts!). So when things go really shit shaped, they have much better capacity to deal with it. No matter how much emergencies and stuff you do in the sim, it's not the same as the real thing.
*in addition military a/c break all the time so heaps of real emergencies and failures to hone your skills on - not like a modern ME jet!
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Yeah, a few thousand hours mountain flying in PNG helps too. Fucking cray airstrips and as for old unreliable planes - I had 3 complete engine failures (including the one fire) and 2 partial failures - in 3 years. Aerobatics experience is good for skills and mental confidence. It all helps when the shit hits the fan.
I saw quite few guys freeze up in airlines, and I basically became single pilot, and you are correct most of them were "cadets" who were inducted with zero hours and then taken through the "system".
I had to do a go around in KL due to a thunderstorm once, my F/O just shut down on the approach, had to configure the thing and do checklists myself, then go around when we hit windshear, enter a hold, do a couple of laps for 10 mins while I tried to get some response out of him and wait for conditions to change. Had him half back (just) by the time we touched down. I wasn't impressed but didn't really think that shouting, punching or abusing him would help much, but I felt like it.
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@taniwharugby said in Planes:
@Snowy my theory was that the wheels were so hot they got off onto the wet grass
Yeah. Not going to help much really but given some of his other choices that migh have been his thought process (assuming that he had one). 300+ deg c versing wet grass...
He obviously didn't get them up to 900 (would have been relatively light for landing) or they all would have gone flat when the plugs blew.
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Would that have been the last time he flew that plane? Isn't it pretty much, one strike and you're out for these types of control events?
Possibly. Depends on the airline and their policy. Some are quite racist and a local can get away with some "retraining" for an event like that, an expat gets told to go home. It's the decision making to continue the landing from that position that would also come under scrutiny. Certainly an invite for tea and bikkies with fleet management and a "please explain".
I would also hope that no one would be flying it until a full undercarriage inspection had been carried out.
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Yeah, a few thousand hours mountain flying in PNG helps too. Fucking cray airstrips and as for old unreliable planes - I had 3 complete engine failures (including the one fire) and 2 partial failures - in 3 years. Aerobatics experience is good for skills and mental confidence. It all helps when the shit hits the fan.
I saw quite few guys freeze up in airlines, and I basically became single pilot, and you are correct most of them were "cadets" who were inducted with zero hours and then taken through the "system".
I had to do a go around in KL due to a thunderstorm once, my F/O just shut down on the approach, had to configure the thing and do checklists myself, then go around when we hit windshear, enter a hold, do a couple of laps for 10 mins while I tried to get some response out of him and wait for conditions to change. Had him half back (just) by the time we touched down. I wasn't impressed but didn't really think that shouting, punching or abusing him would help much, but I felt like it.
Yeah, at least wait until the chocks are in.
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@Machpants
Yeah, a few thousand hours mountain flying in PNG helps too. Fucking cray airstrips and as for old unreliable planes - I had 3 complete engine failures (including the one fire) and 2 partial failures - in 3 years. Aerobatics experience is good for skills and mental confidence. It all helps when the shit hits the fan.It's not PNG until they're shooting at you.
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@antipodean said in Planes:
@Machpants
Yeah, a few thousand hours mountain flying in PNG helps too. Fucking cray airstrips and as for old unreliable planes - I had 3 complete engine failures (including the one fire) and 2 partial failures - in 3 years. Aerobatics experience is good for skills and mental confidence. It all helps when the shit hits the fan.It's not PNG until they're shooting at you.
They did that too - but only twice. Once on the ground (I got airborne very rapidly) and once in the air.
The one on the ground I had delivered some cops to the strip to settle a dispute between two groups (long story) and was caught in a crossfire between the 2 groups, who stopped shooting at each other, and decided to go at the cops, and therefore me. It was decidedly unfriendly.
The airborne one I was flying over a large and suspiciously bright green patch in the bush...
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Sometimes, when I get a bit cocky and think my life is interesting, or that I just achieved something of note, I like to come to the Planes forum to remind myself just how mundane my life really is.
Keep it that way.
Was going to have a look and find some photos of some of the insane strips that we used to go to, but found this instead:
No that isn't me, smart-arses.
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Sometimes, when I get a bit cocky and think my life is interesting, or that I just achieved something of note, I like to come to the Planes forum to remind myself just how mundane my life really is.
Keep it that way.
Was going to have a look and find some photos of some of the insane strips that we used to go to, but found this instead:
No that isn't me, smart-arses.
You know how sometimes you see a photo of someone for the first time and they look NOTHING like you'd expected?
This isn't one of those times.
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Sometimes, when I get a bit cocky and think my life is interesting, or that I just achieved something of note, I like to come to the Planes forum to remind myself just how mundane my life really is.
Keep it that way.
Was going to have a look and find some photos of some of the insane strips that we used to go to, but found this instead:
No that isn't me, smart-arses.
Hanging out with New Guinean cannibals, imagine my surprise.
