Saffas going?
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The best way to remove NZ as a world power is to make them a non-entity.
Argentina is competitive but the other nations are anything but. Australia is about to be booted by Foxtel and it doesn't take a genius to figure out someone at Fox probably heard about the SA defection. The game here is effectively dead at grassroots and I can not see things getting any better.
We would be better off leaving the Super format and returning to a strengthened NPC. But retaining players would be bloody hard without the TV money the Saffas were bringing in.
I would imagine Test rugby as we know it for NZ would be over, post 2023. We would be playing a shitty post Super tourny against Argentina, Aussie and maybe Japan.
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I expect if this happened, we would finally have no choice but to select players from overseas, although we'd probably just have to pick up those not snaffled up by the Euro teams.
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I don't know if this is such a big deal.
- Just last week the Fijians were going as well.
- Surely the Home nations have the right to veto this. The Six Nations has a fair bit of history, suddenly it'll be seven or eight nations. They'll be sacrificing a lot of what makes it special.
- There is no reason NZ, Japan & Australia couldn't get their act together and build a better rugby product, and sharper, faster teams - Japan's knocking at the door of the top tier (arguably there now) all the while not playing top teams regularly.
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@canefan said in Saffas going?:
I'm not sure this move would make their rugby any better. How many players come back from the NH better? It will see them entrench their tight brand of rugby, playing up there doesn't encourage expansive play. They would be rich though
We can then charge more when they want us to tour. Want to play the best, test our legacy, then pay up.
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@westcoastie said in Saffas going?:
@canefan said in Saffas going?:
I'm not sure this move would make their rugby any better. How many players come back from the NH better? It will see them entrench their tight brand of rugby, playing up there doesn't encourage expansive play. They would be rich though
We can then charge more when they want us to tour. Want to play the best, test our legacy, then pay up.
Do we get a share of the gate on the NH tours?
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That will be the the death of rugby in NZ.
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@canefan said in Saffas going?:
@westcoastie said in Saffas going?:
@canefan said in Saffas going?:
I'm not sure this move would make their rugby any better. How many players come back from the NH better? It will see them entrench their tight brand of rugby, playing up there doesn't encourage expansive play. They would be rich though
We can then charge more when they want us to tour. Want to play the best, test our legacy, then pay up.
Do we get a share of the gate on the NH tours?
For those extra games we do, but the whole landscape is going to change ain't it?
Want to play us? Pay up.
Can just use the line "well you haven't beaten us yet have ya" "its all well and good winning a NH tourney but play us down here"We need to lock in the next AIG for 10+ years though and at top dollar
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@westcoastie AIG have already gone, you're dreaming. If SA join 6N, either becoming 7N or replaceing Italy, it is the end of ABs as top dog. It'll take maybe half a dozen years, but we'll end up like Oz but worse - the RC money is split between the nations and SA money and ABs brand bringing in money has propped up Ozzie rugby barely for the last 12 years or so. Our money will go, tests/games in SA bring heapso cash due to them being in Euro time zone, then the players. We'll maybe pick overseas, home games will then be worth even less cos most ABs will be in NH cashed up clubs, ever decreasing circle. But is it a big IF.
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@Machpants said in Saffas going?:
@westcoastie AIG have already gone, you're dreaming. If SA join 6N, either becoming 7N or replaceing Italy, it is the end of ABs as top dog. It'll take maybe half a dozen years, but we'll end up like Oz but worse - the RC money is split between the nations and SA money and ABs brand bringing in money has propped up Ozzie rugby barely for the last 12 years or so. Our money will go, tests/games in SA bring heapso cash due to them being in Euro time zone, then the players. We'll maybe pick overseas, home games will then be worth even less cos most ABs will be in NH cashed up clubs, ever decreasing circle. But is it a big IF.
the next AIG... but yeh I think we'll be right, just be a different landscape, maybe a better one, where we can look after our players wellbeing and workload better. We'll all just chucking out opinion. We'll be fine I think.
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@canefan said in Saffas going?:
I'm not sure this move would make their rugby any better. How many players come back from the NH better?
Currently, most of them. Look at the standouts in the AUS and SA teams in teh RWC; a lot of them are coming out of the NH comps. They went away and got better. We have to do the same.
That said, SA always does this, and so far no joy. I'm not sure the 6/7N will compromise their travel for a few SA dollars. The big money is in England and France, and potentially Japan. SA is a medium earner in the scheme of things.
If they do go, it'll be curtains for us though. We just wno't compete with the big boys up north with the deep pockets if we can't get Japan up and running as a superpower.
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@westcoastie said in Saffas going?:
There is no reason NZ, Japan & Australia couldn't get their act together and build a better rugby product, and sharper, faster teams - Japan's knocking at the door of the top tier (arguably there now) all the while not playing top teams regularly.
I think that last is the reason NZ is investing in Japan so heavily - it's got the moolah.
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@Machpants if you believe the article, Italy won't be leaving, meaning they would then have a bye week (That they have had before) or need an 8th team.
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@taniwharugby said in Saffas going?:
@Machpants if you believe the article, Italy won't be leaving, meaning they would then have a bye week (That they have had before) or need an 8th team.
Certainly the clubs won't buy into having the 6N encroach further into the season?
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The poor size of the crowd for a game as big as Chiefs v Crusaders is a sign of how far Super Rugby is starting to circle the drain. I suppose why would you pay for a game where the best players are time limited - death by a thousand dumbs by the NZRU and SANZAR over the years.
SA would probably be better off in the 6N, it’s just whether the home nations will want two long haul flights added to their schedule.
