NH Ditch Junior rep sides
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@mariner4life said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
I'm not sure why soccer is copping it here, when i have seen exactly the same think in junior rugby, to the exact same extent. Parents have a lot to answer for.
I quit junior rugby in my teens because i was small, and pretty shit, and that absolutely did not fly with how rugby is done in NZ, when winning is absolutely everything, even at 13 years old. I started again at uni, when there was a place to develop your play without pressure. Turns out i could play a bit, just needed some guidance.
I am good friends with a guy involved intimately with these moves, and his explanations have definitely changed my opinion of them, and made me look at how i view my sons' sports. I think have the right idea, but it's not a bad thing to look at the messages you are sending every so often.
I think soccer is copping it as clubs/parents and academies are going in exactly the opposite direction to what is required for fun participation. Rugby in NZ is actually trying really hard to make it about participation. We dont have year round rugby academies for primary school kids that charge a fortune, we dont have trial and grading games at primary school level in rugby, if a club has 2 teams they just try and merge the kids together.
I actually think football NZ is on board with a more positive sport. But it seems like it has a really hard road to hike with parents, some clubs and for profit academiesthat seems fair, and i guess i am not in that system, so shouldn't really comment
My kids just participated in one of those "for profit academies". It was their choice, and both just wanted to learn some new skills. And it really helped the eldest, i could see immediate changes to the way he plays (example, he suddenly has a left foot shot). They are not all evil.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@hydro11 said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rugby may be different because top quality players can develop later on. Any pro rugby player is going to need to be hitting the weights relentlessly from 16 onwards. I'm not sure you need to do much with a 12 year old to turn them into a pro. They obviously need basic ball skills but general athleticism is hugely important.
I think football is a lot different if you want to make it.
And dont get me started on cheer leading... that is borderline child abuse.
Is this a thing in NZ still?
A colleague has a son (about 18 or 19) who is a cheerleader and I think even got a scholarship(I may be incorrect about that part though)
I dunno if I would be volunteering the information to my mates that my boy is excelling at cheerleading....
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@Hooroo said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@hydro11 said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rugby may be different because top quality players can develop later on. Any pro rugby player is going to need to be hitting the weights relentlessly from 16 onwards. I'm not sure you need to do much with a 12 year old to turn them into a pro. They obviously need basic ball skills but general athleticism is hugely important.
I think football is a lot different if you want to make it.
And dont get me started on cheer leading... that is borderline child abuse.
Is this a thing in NZ still?
A colleague has a son (about 18 or 19) who is a cheerleader and I think even got a scholarship(I may be incorrect about that part though)
I dunno if I would be volunteering the information to my mates that my boy is excelling at cheerleading....
Why not, it is bloody athletic and skillful, plus he gets to hang out with fit girls....
My issue is more around the cost (outrageous), and the terrible atmosphere that exists in some clubs. Have heard some absolute horror stories. Parents literally not being able to go on family holidays because the kid has to attend every practice or there is a severe consequence. And that doesnt even start on the peer pressure that exists in the sport. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Hooroo said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@hydro11 said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rugby may be different because top quality players can develop later on. Any pro rugby player is going to need to be hitting the weights relentlessly from 16 onwards. I'm not sure you need to do much with a 12 year old to turn them into a pro. They obviously need basic ball skills but general athleticism is hugely important.
I think football is a lot different if you want to make it.
And dont get me started on cheer leading... that is borderline child abuse.
Is this a thing in NZ still?
A colleague has a son (about 18 or 19) who is a cheerleader and I think even got a scholarship(I may be incorrect about that part though)
I dunno if I would be volunteering the information to my mates that my boy is excelling at cheerleading....
Why not, it is bloody athletic and skillful, plus he gets to hang out with fit girls....
My issue is more around the cost (outrageous), and the terrible atmosphere that exists in some clubs. Have heard some absolute horror stories. Parents literally not being able to go on family holidays because the kid has to attend every practice or there is a severe consequence. And that doesnt even start on the peer pressure that exists in the sport.Because it's a chicks sport.....
Seriously though, I had no idea they were doing that in schools. Is it as a stand alone sport or just to cheerlead at big sports days (Like Rugby finals etc)
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Hooroo said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@hydro11 said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rugby may be different because top quality players can develop later on. Any pro rugby player is going to need to be hitting the weights relentlessly from 16 onwards. I'm not sure you need to do much with a 12 year old to turn them into a pro. They obviously need basic ball skills but general athleticism is hugely important.
I think football is a lot different if you want to make it.
And dont get me started on cheer leading... that is borderline child abuse.
Is this a thing in NZ still?
A colleague has a son (about 18 or 19) who is a cheerleader and I think even got a scholarship(I may be incorrect about that part though)
I dunno if I would be volunteering the information to my mates that my boy is excelling at cheerleading....
Why not, it is bloody athletic and skillful, plus he gets to hang out with fit girls....
My issue is more around the cost (outrageous), and the terrible atmosphere that exists in some clubs. Have heard some absolute horror stories. Parents literally not being able to go on family holidays because the kid has to attend every practice or there is a severe consequence. And that doesnt even start on the peer pressure that exists in the sport.that doesn't sound much different to dancing. i thank the lord every day that i had boys. two close friends have mutliple daughters who dance, and their life is a fucking nightmare. And all the shit in this thread about kids' sport, goes double for dancing. The time required is out of control, and it consumes everyone in teh family's lives.
The bit i don't get is, for all that, one day in the near future, it will just stop. And all that time taken as a kid will be for naught.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rugby in NZ is actually trying really hard to make it about participation. We dont have year round rugby academies for primary school kids that charge a fortune, we dont have trial and grading games at primary school level in rugby, if a club has 2 teams they just try and merge the kids together.
Yeah in my experience Rugby has been leading the way for years now in trying to tidy up the parents behaviour which will help the kids...obviously doesnt stop some of the numpties out there.
When coaching kids, it is very much about making it fun, but trying to paint losing as fun will get you no where, kids arent stupid.
Even when my boys team was 5/6 years old, and no one is supposed to keep score, the kids knew the score.
While keeping the participation aspect as key, teaching the kids how to be both good winners and losers is a huge life lesson.
As to removing the rep side of things, I'm a skeptic this will do much, I'm the parent of a boy who is unlikely to ever make a rep side, he knows he is unlikely to make a rep side, that aint the reason he plays, and that wont be the reason he does not play if he chooses not to this year.
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@Hooroo said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Hooroo said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@hydro11 said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rugby may be different because top quality players can develop later on. Any pro rugby player is going to need to be hitting the weights relentlessly from 16 onwards. I'm not sure you need to do much with a 12 year old to turn them into a pro. They obviously need basic ball skills but general athleticism is hugely important.
I think football is a lot different if you want to make it.
And dont get me started on cheer leading... that is borderline child abuse.
Is this a thing in NZ still?
A colleague has a son (about 18 or 19) who is a cheerleader and I think even got a scholarship(I may be incorrect about that part though)
I dunno if I would be volunteering the information to my mates that my boy is excelling at cheerleading....
Why not, it is bloody athletic and skillful, plus he gets to hang out with fit girls....
My issue is more around the cost (outrageous), and the terrible atmosphere that exists in some clubs. Have heard some absolute horror stories. Parents literally not being able to go on family holidays because the kid has to attend every practice or there is a severe consequence. And that doesnt even start on the peer pressure that exists in the sport.Because it's a chicks sport.....
Seriously though, I had no idea they were doing that in schools. Is it as a stand alone sport or just to cheerlead at big sports days (Like Rugby finals etc)
It is a standalone sport, pretty horrendous one IMO
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@mariner4life said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Hooroo said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@hydro11 said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rugby may be different because top quality players can develop later on. Any pro rugby player is going to need to be hitting the weights relentlessly from 16 onwards. I'm not sure you need to do much with a 12 year old to turn them into a pro. They obviously need basic ball skills but general athleticism is hugely important.
I think football is a lot different if you want to make it.
And dont get me started on cheer leading... that is borderline child abuse.
Is this a thing in NZ still?
A colleague has a son (about 18 or 19) who is a cheerleader and I think even got a scholarship(I may be incorrect about that part though)
I dunno if I would be volunteering the information to my mates that my boy is excelling at cheerleading....
Why not, it is bloody athletic and skillful, plus he gets to hang out with fit girls....
My issue is more around the cost (outrageous), and the terrible atmosphere that exists in some clubs. Have heard some absolute horror stories. Parents literally not being able to go on family holidays because the kid has to attend every practice or there is a severe consequence. And that doesnt even start on the peer pressure that exists in the sport.that doesn't sound much different to dancing. i thank the lord every day that i had boys. two close friends have mutliple daughters who dance, and their life is a fucking nightmare. And all the shit in this thread about kids' sport, goes double for dancing. The time required is out of control, and it consumes everyone in teh family's lives.
The bit i don't get is, for all that, one day in the near future, it will just stop. And all that time taken as a kid will be for naught.
My niece was an awesome dancer, did it for years .... then she went to university. But at least it is a sport that she can go back to in later life and compete... oh wait...
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@mariner4life said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Hooroo said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@hydro11 said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rugby may be different because top quality players can develop later on. Any pro rugby player is going to need to be hitting the weights relentlessly from 16 onwards. I'm not sure you need to do much with a 12 year old to turn them into a pro. They obviously need basic ball skills but general athleticism is hugely important.
I think football is a lot different if you want to make it.
And dont get me started on cheer leading... that is borderline child abuse.
Is this a thing in NZ still?
A colleague has a son (about 18 or 19) who is a cheerleader and I think even got a scholarship(I may be incorrect about that part though)
I dunno if I would be volunteering the information to my mates that my boy is excelling at cheerleading....
Why not, it is bloody athletic and skillful, plus he gets to hang out with fit girls....
My issue is more around the cost (outrageous), and the terrible atmosphere that exists in some clubs. Have heard some absolute horror stories. Parents literally not being able to go on family holidays because the kid has to attend every practice or there is a severe consequence. And that doesnt even start on the peer pressure that exists in the sport.that doesn't sound much different to dancing. i thank the lord every day that i had boys. two close friends have mutliple daughters who dance, and their life is a fucking nightmare. And all the shit in this thread about kids' sport, goes double for dancing. The time required is out of control, and it consumes everyone in teh family's lives.
The bit i don't get is, for all that, one day in the near future, it will just stop. And all that time taken as a kid will be for naught.
My niece was an awesome dancer, did it for years .... then she went to university. But at least it is a sport that she can go back to in later life and compete... oh wait...
astounding isn't it?
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@mariner4life said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Hooroo said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@hydro11 said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rugby may be different because top quality players can develop later on. Any pro rugby player is going to need to be hitting the weights relentlessly from 16 onwards. I'm not sure you need to do much with a 12 year old to turn them into a pro. They obviously need basic ball skills but general athleticism is hugely important.
I think football is a lot different if you want to make it.
And dont get me started on cheer leading... that is borderline child abuse.
Is this a thing in NZ still?
A colleague has a son (about 18 or 19) who is a cheerleader and I think even got a scholarship(I may be incorrect about that part though)
I dunno if I would be volunteering the information to my mates that my boy is excelling at cheerleading....
Why not, it is bloody athletic and skillful, plus he gets to hang out with fit girls....
My issue is more around the cost (outrageous), and the terrible atmosphere that exists in some clubs. Have heard some absolute horror stories. Parents literally not being able to go on family holidays because the kid has to attend every practice or there is a severe consequence. And that doesnt even start on the peer pressure that exists in the sport.that doesn't sound much different to dancing. i thank the lord every day that i had boys. two close friends have mutliple daughters who dance, and their life is a fucking nightmare. And all the shit in this thread about kids' sport, goes double for dancing. The time required is out of control, and it consumes everyone in teh family's lives.
The bit i don't get is, for all that, one day in the near future, it will just stop. And all that time taken as a kid will be for naught.
Reflecting on this comment ...
... I played sport as competitively as I could, which wasn't very. But post school, way beyond when I was never good enough to make rep teams, I continued playing rugby and cricket to be part of a team, and have a social outlet. I gave up competitive (club) rugby in my late 20s due to a bad back, but took it up again in my late 30s, and was able to play until my mid 40s.
Not sure you could get that with dancing as a competitive pastime? Ball room dancing maybe?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@mariner4life said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Hooroo said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@hydro11 said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rugby may be different because top quality players can develop later on. Any pro rugby player is going to need to be hitting the weights relentlessly from 16 onwards. I'm not sure you need to do much with a 12 year old to turn them into a pro. They obviously need basic ball skills but general athleticism is hugely important.
I think football is a lot different if you want to make it.
And dont get me started on cheer leading... that is borderline child abuse.
Is this a thing in NZ still?
A colleague has a son (about 18 or 19) who is a cheerleader and I think even got a scholarship(I may be incorrect about that part though)
I dunno if I would be volunteering the information to my mates that my boy is excelling at cheerleading....
Why not, it is bloody athletic and skillful, plus he gets to hang out with fit girls....
My issue is more around the cost (outrageous), and the terrible atmosphere that exists in some clubs. Have heard some absolute horror stories. Parents literally not being able to go on family holidays because the kid has to attend every practice or there is a severe consequence. And that doesnt even start on the peer pressure that exists in the sport.that doesn't sound much different to dancing. i thank the lord every day that i had boys. two close friends have mutliple daughters who dance, and their life is a fucking nightmare. And all the shit in this thread about kids' sport, goes double for dancing. The time required is out of control, and it consumes everyone in teh family's lives.
The bit i don't get is, for all that, one day in the near future, it will just stop. And all that time taken as a kid will be for naught.
My niece was an awesome dancer, did it for years .... then she went to university. But at least it is a sport that she can go back to in later life and compete... oh wait...
I've done a booboo ... read the thread.
Was my immediate reaction as I typed out in previous post.
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@booboo said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
I've done a booboo ... read the thread.
I'm not quite sure how to put this politely but there is a recurring theme here. Not going to comment on flat learning curves or suchlike (just messing with you, it amuses me).
To make a Booboo used to mean making a mistake, now it means not reading something before commenting. I prefer the latter.
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@dogmeat said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Snowy Not the worst reputation that's been gathered on the forum though
I know what you drive, I know roughly where you live, I have a fair idea what you do for a living, and some new clothing for the new year would be nice.
Sleep well.
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Don't know where else to post this.
There are number of changes to Small Blacks rugby in 2020:
Why are we making these changes? NZR is always looking to improve the quality of the playing experience at all levels with player enjoyment and safety being the priority above everything else. Recruiting players through Rippa Rugby has been increasingly successful, however, we have increasing challenges in retaining players from Under 11s onwards. A 2019 review of the Small Blacks Development Model has indicated that some changes are necessary for rugby to be more player centric with greater focus on player development and engagement. This is best achieved by smaller sided games that enable more opportunities for all players to run, pass, and catch the ball and score tries. What are the changes? In 2020, Under 11s rugby will be played at 10 a side on a ½ field (40m x 60m). This represents no change for those that have been playing Under 10s rugby in 2019. NZR, in partnership with a number of Provincial Unions and a university, will be trialling 10-a-side rugby for Under 12 and Under 13 on various field widths to test what improvement this can make to player development and engagement. This will influence further enhancements from 2021 to improve player development and enhancement.More here: https://www.smallblacks.com/how-to-play/2020-changes/
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After coaching my son since he started playing when he was 5, this year he may not be able to play.
Last year he played U14, this year he moves to U16...he is unsure if he wants to play given the size of some kids he will be coming up against, plus, we may not even have team at our club for that grade.
5 of the smaller kids have indicated they will stay in U14 (they are U60 kg so can without dispensation)
So in the Whangarei comp last year, we started with 8 teams in U14, one team bailed halfway through as they were getting beaten by 80+ each week.
They won't have a team this year, we probably won't, so likely 6 teams in U16 this year in Whangarei comp.
So that's >30 kids who played rugby last year, not playing this year...without looking at the Far North comp that had 4 teams play one another for 16 weeks or so...
