Crusaders 2020
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@jegga said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@mariner4life Players are on Sky Sport panels and programmes in an individual capacity. Of course, it looks bad for the teams he plays for, if a player says something stupid like that, but they don't have any responsibility for it. No doubt, he'll get a talking to (and rightly so), but he didn't represent them on that Sky Sport programme (Sky paid him for appearing on the programme, not his rugby franchise).
So it’s not a crusaders player being an anti semitie then ?
no no, it's a Northcote player. It was club week...
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@mariner4life Players are on Sky Sport panels and programmes in an individual capacity. Of course, it looks bad for the teams he plays for, if a player says something stupid like that, but they don't have any responsibility for it. No doubt, he'll get a talking to (and rightly so), but he didn't represent them on that Sky Sport programme (Sky paid him for appearing on the programme, not his rugby franchise).
that sort of backing-away seems to fly in the face of the team first attitude and amazing culture that Crusaders fans just loooooove to push in everyone's faces.
So it's selective this culture?
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@jegga I doubt Hall is an anti-semite. He made a remark using the word "Jew" in a similarly foolish and inappropriate way many ferners - including in this thread - use the word "gay". Are all these Ferners homophobes?
You doubt he is an anti Semite even though he’s cool with using Jew as an insult .
Interesting selective morality there
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@jegga I doubt Hall is an anti-semite. He made a remark using the word "Jew" in a similarly foolish and inappropriate way many ferners - including in this thread - use the word "gay". Are all these Ferners homophobes?
Saying the word gay isn't homophobic nor is referencing phallic Crusaders symbols.
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@mariner4life You seem to miss the bit where I say that he'll probably be told off by Crusaders management because what he said reflects badly on them. That doesn't make them responsible for what he said.
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Right then, we are going to have to come up with a non racist word to describe deep pocketed, short armed tight fisted folks. I would like to suggest the name of a country but that too would probably be ruled to be racist so will start the ball rolling with CRC McJock. Will need to apply some to to get a frozen closed wallet through lack of being opened open again and then some Raid to be applied to kill off the moths that will escape!
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@Hooroo said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@jegga I doubt Hall is an anti-semite. He made a remark using the word "Jew" in a similarly foolish and inappropriate way many ferners - including in this thread - use the word "gay". Are all these Ferners homophobes?
Saying the word gay isn't homophobic nor is referencing phallic Crusaders symbols.
Saying the word Jew isn't antisemitic in itself either. It all depends on context.
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@mariner4life You seem to miss the bit where I say that he'll probably be told off by Crusaders management because what he said reflects badly on them. That doesn't make them responsible for what he said.
no, just fostering a culture that produces players that think it's okay to say that kind of thin on national TV.
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@mariner4life said in Crusaders 2020:
@Snowy said in Crusaders 2020:
penurious
he's a rugby player...
He’s a halfback
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@Hooroo said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@jegga I doubt Hall is an anti-semite. He made a remark using the word "Jew" in a similarly foolish and inappropriate way many ferners - including in this thread - use the word "gay". Are all these Ferners homophobes?
Saying the word gay isn't homophobic nor is referencing phallic Crusaders symbols.
Saying the word Jew isn't antisemitic in itself either. It all depends on context.
And ? He clearly meant it as an insult
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@jegga I doubt he intended to insult Jews. He was joking about Goodhue, who isn't Jewish. Just like Sopoaga didn't intend to insult homosexuals while he was joking about his team mates for kissing Fekitoa.
so why then was it an "incredibly stupid thing to say" if it wasn't really insulting anyone except his teammate?
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@jegga I doubt he intended to insult Jews. He was joking about Goodhue, who isn't Jewish. Just like Sopoaga didn't intend to insult homosexuals while he was joking about his team mates for kissing Fekitoa.
You doubt he intended to insult Jews by calling his mate a Jew as an insult?
Er ok . This has been eye opening, I’m out though .
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@mariner4life said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@jegga I doubt he intended to insult Jews. He was joking about Goodhue, who isn't Jewish. Just like Sopoaga didn't intend to insult homosexuals while he was joking about his team mates for kissing Fekitoa.
so why then was it an "incredibly stupid thing to say" if it wasn't really insulting anyone except his teammate?
I didn't say it wasn't insulting anyone except his team mate. I said he didn't intend to insult Jews (people other than his team mate). It was stupid of him not to realise that he said something that could unintentionally result in other people feeling insulted.
There's a big difference between intent and effect. If he intended to insult Jews, he could be accused of being anti-semitic. If he didn't intend to insult Jews, but it was an unintended result of what he said, that doesn't mean he's antisemitic. If he should have realised - but didn't - that what he said could have that the unintended result of insulting people, it was a stupid thing to say.
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