Chiefs squad

Unco

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With Pulu putting his hand up for the 7s - who is the next cab off the rank as 3rd halfback for when Pulu isn't there?
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Probably Levien.

bobily

I'd think it would be more likely to be Kayne Hammington. They brought him in this year at one point, I think.

Crucial

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I'd think it would be more likely to be Kayne Hammington. They brought him in this year at one point, I think.
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He has a relationship with Rennie from his U20s days (and an Upper Hutt connection) and was travelling at his own expense to train alongside the Chiefs. His reward was a bench spot after Pulu broke his arm. Was never an official squad member though.

bobily

Interesting, I remember Beau Robinson did that with the Reds, at one point. It worked out reasonably well for him, and ended up getting a cap with the Wallabies. Doesn't exactly look as if it will pay off for Hammington as well. Personally, I think Booth and Liam Howley have more upside to them.

Bovidae

Hammington was relegated to the reserve bench for Manawatu behind Morland so is he that good? I'd develop Levien. The Chiefs had Kitto involved this year but he signed with Leicester.

bobily

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Hammington was relegated to the reserve bench for Manawatu behind Morland so is he that good? I'd develop Levien. The Chiefs had Kitto involved this year but he signed with Leicester.</blockquote>
 
No, I don't rate him. I'm happy for Levien to be developed but I'm not sure that's what will happen. Though I guess the Chiefs have been pretty good at doing this in the past.

Crucial

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Interesting, I remember Beau Robinson did that with the Reds, at one point. It worked out reasonably well for him, and ended up getting a cap with the Wallabies. Doesn't exactly look as if it will pay off for Hammington as well. Personally, I think Booth and Liam Howley have more upside to them.
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Big call on Howley there! Have you watched him play? Does really well, certainly showed that he wasn't lost at provincial level and can develop further, but he currently doesn't stand out more than that.
 
I've watched him play club rugby and usually at that level, class players stand out. I remember seeing Alby M play for Upper Hutt one day without realising it was him (was taking the dogs for a walk) and thinking 'man this halfback has a great pass on him'. Liam is good, and has been on a planned development path, but has played one season out of school. I really hope he does well and develops further, but I wouldn't rate him above Hammington.

bobily

It is less about rating Howley highly, and more about not rating Hammington too much. 
 
I wouldn't necessarily think he is a better player now, but he isn't even 20 yet (unless I'm mistaken) so as a player who will largely just be training with the team, I think it would be more beneficial to include him than Hammington, who (I think) is 25.

Bovidae

The Chiefs venues have been confirmed:
 
Gallagher Chiefs 2016 Pre-season Fixtures 
Friday 12 February Gallagher Chiefs v Waratahs, Bay of Plenty 
Friday 19 February Gallagher Chiefs v Blues, Counties Manukau Gallagher Chiefs 2016 Investec Super Rugby Home Fixtures
Saturday 5 March Gallagher Chiefs v Lions 5.15pm FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton 
Saturday 26 March Gallagher Chiefs v Western Force 7.35pm FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton 
Friday 8 April Gallagher Chiefs v Blues 7.35pm FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton 
Friday 29 April Gallagher Chiefs v Sharks 7.35pm Yarrow Stadium, New Plymouth 
Saturday 7 May Gallagher Chiefs v Highlanders 7.35pm FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton
Saturday 21 May Gallagher Chiefs v Rebels 7.35pm FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton Friday 1 July Gallagher Chiefs v Crusaders 7.35pm ANZ Stadium, Suva, Fiji
 
A bold decision to give away a home game.

Unco

Yeah, a big crowd game too. It's cool for Fiji but doesn't make too much sense to me.

Crucial

Playing the Blues at Pukekohe. Lucky it's early in the season so softies don't have to whine about getting a damp bum.

Wurzel

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Yeah, a big crowd game too. It's cool for Fiji but doesn't make too much sense to me.
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Having the Welsh come to Waikato Stadium means the Chiefs, their fans and sponsors still have the same amount of home games; allowing them to experiment in a new market. Makes sense to me.

Hooroo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="539791" data-time="1446801596">Playing the Blues at Pukekohe. Lucky it's early in the season so softies don't have to whine about getting a damp bum.</blockquote>
 
So early it's not even in the season

hydro11

I thought the deal with Taranaki was that they get two home games a season?

Unco

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I thought the deal with Taranaki was that they get two home games a season?
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I noticed that too. I guess the deal was only for the first couple of years and they just want one game going forward, which is still a big improvement over what they used to get.
 
I never really had a good look at it but the full schedule seems a bit strange to me. 7 home games (1 in Fiji), 9 away games. 2 games vs the Saders and Landers but only one vs the Blues and Canes. All five Aussie teams, unlike the old setup which would miss one. Short tour against the easy beats Kings and what'll probably be a tough fuckin game against the Argies in Argieland. And only one bye in the entire season. Seems like a tough schedule.

Skinemson

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Hammington was relegated to the reserve bench for Manawatu behind Morland so is he that good? I'd develop Levien. The Chiefs had Kitto involved this year but he signed with Leicester.
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He was injured during the second game and pretty much missed the whole season and retured for the last game (off the bench) he was starting leading up to that.

mariner4life

Fuck Fiji. Why do take a top-draw regular season game all the way to Fiji, while neither Counties nor BOP can get one? Fuck the Chiefs piss me off. And fuck Taranaki too.

Bovidae

While I don't agree with taking a big derby game to Fiji it's obviously a business decision, and as Wurzel says it is offset by the Welsh game. The Chiefs wouldn't be doing it otherwise. As to not playing a regular season game at Puke or in the BOP, that will be due to the sub-standard facilities. Rotorua could host a game, and is a really good venue but not always well supported. Baypark is a shithole.

Baron Silas Greenback

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While I don't agree with taking a big derby game to Fiji it's obviously a business decision, and as Wurzel says it is offset by the Welsh game. The Chiefs wouldn't be doing it otherwise. As to not playing a regular season game at Puke or in the BOP, that will be due to the sub-standard facilities. Rotorua could host a game, and is a really good venue but not always well supported. Baypark is a shithole.
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How does it matter that Baypark is a shithole? Are the players that pampered they need A grade changing rooms? The stands are rubbish, but the crowds still turn up. So I think the fans dont need the Chiefs to decide for them if it is good enough for viewing.
 
And where does this facilities argument sit in regards to playing in fucking Suva??

Chris B.

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How does it matter that Baypark is a shithole? Are the players that pampered they need A grade changing rooms? The stands are rubbish, but the crowds still turn up. So I think the fans dont need the Chiefs to decide for them if it is good enough for viewing.
 
And where does this facilities argument sit in regards to playing in fucking Suva??
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I daresay the Chiefs marketing people think that is they take the game to Baypark, people will turn up and think, "that was a shit experience - a bunch of mini-men running about in the far distance - we won't go to watch the Chiefs again". 
 
Don't want to pay rates for a decent stadium. Don't want to pay taxes for climate change.
 
You watch it on telly and like it! :)

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Chiefs squad