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@Number-10 pretty sure the last 'attempt' to cull teams was about 10 years ago, and this was Northland, Southland, Ta$man and Counties all on the chopping block, with Northland and Ta$man looking most likely due to some arbitrary criteria that was designed for Southland to remain.
Anyone who thinks a Heartland side would get within 50 of Northland or Southland at present is deluded.
Edit: was 2008 the last time they were looking to make changes (publically at least)
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@Stargazer said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@SammyC I'd be seriously pissed off if I can't watch the away games of my team, because they aren't televised.
When did I say don't televise them?
Surely sky with it's 13 odd sports channels can show games at the same time.
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@SammyC That survey earlier in the year proposed more afternoon games and not televising all games.
I think playing and televising two or more games at the same time will reduce tv viewership as most people prefer to watch games live and are less inclined to watch recorded games or replays.
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@SammyC I'd be ok if they did like they are in the RWC, delay the live coverage...
This conversation comes up every other year, yet the solutions are not really workable in the current environment.
I actually dont mind the crossover matches, and think the current format is the best one they have had since the changes made in 2008 (or was it prior when ANZ Cup was shit too)...as I have long said, bin one of the crossover matches removes the need for storm week (although dont think they had that this year?)
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@Stargazer I would say most people already pick and choose which games they watch. I do.
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@Stargazer said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
I think playing and televising two or more games at the same time will reduce tv viewership as most people prefer to watch games live and are less inclined to watch recorded games or replays.
I wasn't talking about the survey, I was giving my own opinion.
I seriously doubt television viewing numbers are very high anyway. It would be extremely low number who watch every game live on TV.
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@taniwharugby No storm weeks anymore, this year. No more Wednesday games. It has been a lot better this year than previous years, because the competition could start earlier (due to SR finishing earlier).
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@Stargazer for me, the Wednesday/Thursday night games are not designed to get punters to go to them, if they were, k/o would be 6pm...these are for TV viewers
It's ok now with TR Jnr being older, but a couple of years back, 7.30 k/o was too late to take him on a school night...
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@Number-10 said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
They did not happen because the same three unions have been against it both times - Northland, Manawatu and Southland.
Northland also led the charge against a move to a single tier system early in Tew's tenure.
Ta$man were also part of that cull, but to their credit they got their act together - although a large part of their failure at that point was due to being used as a contract holding pen for the Crusaders - the changes to the Super catchment system fixed that.
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@rotated it was a single tier comp for a period, I dont recall us having issues with that (nor can I see why we would) only getting culled, to which they were pretty vocal and anti.
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@taniwharugby said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@rotated it was a single tier comp for a period, I dont recall us having issues with that, only getting culled.
I don't believe the proposal was to cull Northland entirely from NZRU competitions - simply remove them from the top division due to mounting annual losses and poor on field performances.
Naturally no team wants to be the one that goes, but for the betterment of the competition there has to be rationalization and contraction, just as there was in the NRL and other competitions.
I'll be the first to put my hand up and say I was wrong about 2008, I thought Ta$man should go too due to the mismanagement and bailouts (far worse than Northland to be fair), but it wasn't entirely obvious how the catchment system was being used to where they were a shelf company fielding a first XV.
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@rotated that isnt what you said, you said we opposed a single tier comp, I was referring to being culled from the top flight of NZ Rugby...
As above, problem was, NZR had created some contrived criteria to keep Southland up, despite their numbers not stacking up against Northland, Manawatu, or Counties, 3 of the other teams supposedly in the cross hairs...obviously Ta$man had thier issues in the early days, but have had a better relationship with the Crusaders than the others and thier franchise partners which has played its part in seeing them where they are today.
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@taniwharugby said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
@rotated that isnt what you said, you said we opposed a single tier comp, I was referring to being culled from the top flight of NZ Rugby...
As above, problem was, NZR had created some contrived criteria to keep Southland up, despite their numbers not stacking up against Northland, Manawatu, or Counties, 3 of the other teams supposedly in the cross hairs...obviously Ta$man had thier issues in the early days, but have had a better relationship with the Crusaders than the others and thier franchise partners which has played its part in seeing them where they are today.
This is the framework that was widely posted ahead of the season and fairly agreed to by all parties? And so contrived by Tew that it resulted in his former franchise losing one of only two provincial partners? Why were Northland in the crosshairs?
I understand that it would be a bloody bitter pill to swallow for a province to go down, but if you place NZ Rugby first it was the right thing at the time (and would be still) and by my maths given Northland are the only of the 14 provinces yet to play Premiership rugby since the split (I may be wrong?) so there isn't much evidence that a birth in top flight provincial rugby is warranted.
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@rotated said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
I understand that it would be a bloody bitter pill to swallow for a province to go down, but if you place NZ Rugby first it was the right thing at the time (and would be still) and by my maths given Northland are the only of the 14 provinces yet to play Premiership rugby since the split (I may be wrong?) so there isn't much evidence that a birth in top flight provincial rugby is warranted.
Ooof, that is rather damming if true.
Get rid of them!! (Southland(although I would find it tough to see them go), Manawatu and Hawkes as well)
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@rotated said in Mitre 10 Cup Attendance:
a birth in top flight provincial rugby
