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[quote name='Kirwan' timestamp='1359864823' post='341387']<br />
Context is everything, and in xFit it's assumed when there are large number of pull-ups you'll be kipping them.<br />
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Thats why I said according to Kirwan its assumed in crossfit you will be kipping -
[quote name='Duluth' timestamp='1359878829' post='341482']<br />
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Seriously, you still don't understand? Yes, as I've said it's assumed you'll do the most efficient version you are skilled enough to do. That's very different to saying the term is used loosely or it's assumed you're talking about kipping when you say pull-up. Because I've made that clear in my previous posts. <br />
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If THEY say pull-up, YOU can choose the variation. If they say dead hang pull-up, then you can't choose. When they want a specific pull-up technique, they state it. Doesn't seem loose, or confusing to me. <br />
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I can't make it any clearer , but I suspect you are just playing "have the last word". Yawn. -
[quote name='Kirwan' timestamp='1359879620' post='341485']<br />
Seriously, you still don't understand? Yes, as I've said it's assumed you'll do the most efficient version you are skilled enough to do. That's very different to saying the term is used loosely or it's assumed you're talking about kipping when you say pull-up. Because I've made that clear in my previous posts.<br />
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If THEY say pull-up, YOU can choose the variation. If they say dead hang pull-up, then you can't choose. When they want a specific pull-up technique, they state it. Doesn't seem loose, or confusing to me.[/quote]<br />
I understand all of that. That is the way crossfit does things.<br />
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However I simply pointed out that crossfitters use the generic term even when referring to a cheat variation. The response was this:<br />
[quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Context is everything, and in xFit it's assumed when there are large number of pull-ups you'll be kipping them. Same with muscle ups, handstand push-ups, large numbers of ring dips, bar muscle ups, the list goes on. [/font][/color]<br />
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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]When I'm posting workouts i'll not be posting "kipping", same as I don't post squat snatch, or hand release push ups, or how I'm cycling my box jumps (although I record that info in my personal log). [/font][/color]<br />
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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Basically, I figure most people am aware I'm doing xFit workouts.[/font][/color][/quote]<br />
Which is fine. Thats the way crossfit does things. However if you use the generic term pull up to a normal person they assume you are talking about the traditional version of the exercise not a cheat variation. Thats where the confusion comes from. -
Yeah the crossfitters I know are happy to shorten 'kipping pull up' to 'pull up' when talking about what they do. A crossfitter I was talking to a few weeks back was happy to boast about the number of pull ups he did and it turned out he was inaccurate by a factor of four. <br />
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Personally I think mimic has it right<br />
[quote name='mimic' timestamp='1359876974' post='341466']In crossfit, you do push ups, but its up to you what variation you do (proper or variation, whatever you need to do to get it done)<br />
However, while writing up what exercises I did, I wouldnt say I did 50 push ups, because that would be misleading.. I would be more specific.. (which is what Duluth is getting at)<br />
30 diamond push ups + 20 push ups..<br />
Which is very different to 20 push ups + 15 snake push ups + 15 lady push ups[/quote] -
Someone who does Crossfit is not Crossfit as a whole. So your generalisation has a sample of two so far. <br />
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My workout logs are accurate, what I write on here is just a summary. <br />
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But you know, while someone is complaining about how I'm talking about the exercise I'm doing, at least I'm actually doing the exercises. FYI, I do dead hangs as part of my warmup, every session. -
Thats super. I do real pull ups too. <br />
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Also, my sample size is 5 people. True, it's still not a big enough sample. However the point still stands if you are doing a cheat variation you should be clear about it. My anecdotal experience is that the crossfitters think it's fine to leave off kipping when describing the movement. That's quite confusing. It's a different exercise. -
[quote name='Duluth' timestamp='1359883188' post='341497']<br />
Thats super. I do real pull ups too. <br />
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Also, my sample size is 5 people. True, it's still not a big enough sample. However the point still stands if you are doing a cheat variation you should be clear about it. My anecdotal experience is that the crossfitters think it's fine to leave off kipping when describing the movement. That's quite confusing. It's a different exercise.<br />
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Well it's clear you are easily confused, you have demonstrated that much. It must be very annoying when people don't specify if its a ring or bar muscle up huh. <br />
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Enough of your condescending posts, you are getting close to the line. <br />
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[quote name='Kirwan' timestamp='1359883860' post='341499']<br />
Well it's clear you are easily confused, you have demonstrated that much. It must be very annoying when people don't specify if its a ring or bar muscle up huh.<br />
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Enough of your condescending posts, you are getting close to the line.<br />
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Oh calm down. You are the one getting into name calling<br />
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What I'm saying is hardly controversial. When you do a cheat variation of an exercise you should be clear about that. My experience with crossfitters is that they are happy to omit the 'kipping' word. Hardly a major crime but at the same time it is very inaccurate<br />
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I think maybe you are taking the 'cheating' word personally. It is the correct term for movements like this. My favourite cheat to extend pull up sets is the negative which is an even bigger cheat (you jump to the bar and lower yourself slowly) -
[quote name='Duluth' timestamp='1359884481' post='341500']<br />
Oh calm down. You are the one getting into name calling<br />
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What I'm saying is hardly controversial. When you do a cheat variation of an exercise you should be clear about that. My experience with crossfitters is that they are happy to omit the 'kipping' word. Hardly a major crime but at the same time it is very inaccurate<br />
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I think maybe you are taking the 'cheating' word personally. It is the correct term for movements like this. My favourite cheat to extend pull up sets is the negative which is an even bigger cheat[b] (you jump to the bar and lower yourself slowly)[/b]<br />
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THat's not cheating that's just what pussies who can't do them do <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eusa_whistle.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistle:' /> -
[quote name='MN5' timestamp='1359920999' post='341555']<br />
THat's not cheating that's just what pussies who can't do them do <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eusa_whistle.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistle:' /><br />
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Haha.. as a set extender so you've already done as many real reps as you can do. A few 8 sec negatives at the end tears your lats up -
[quote name='Duluth' timestamp='1359925586' post='341570']<br />
Haha.. as a set extender so you've already done as many real reps as you can do. A few 8 sec negatives at the end tears your lats up<br />
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Yeah true, after chins sometimes I do a few flexed arm hangs, a mere 10-15 seconds of those fuck your guns up good and proper. -
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<p>The video at the beginning of the thread had a similar soundtrack.</p>
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<p>It was a relief to see all the people in the background struggling with their pullups, just like I do.</p>
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<p>Luckily I haven't done Fran yet. Looks awful.</p>
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<p>Yep, it really sucks. It's one of those ones that hurts when you stop, forearms and lungs. People refer to Fran Cough a lot as well, and it's a puke friendly workout. It's a terrible, terrible combination. </p>
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<p>The first Crossfit workout.</p> -
<p>I need to get me some of those elastic cords to assist me....still suck at pull ups!</p>
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<p>I did Fran a few times now (didn't know it had a name) at home, and very close to vomiting.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kirwan" data-cid="427363" data-time="1399499479">
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<p>Yep, it really sucks. It's one of those ones that hurts when you stop, forearms and lungs. People refer to Fran Cough a lot as well, and it's a puke friendly workout. It's a terrible, terrible combination. </p>
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<p>The first Crossfit workout.</p>
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<p>It was the first workout you did? AND you went back!?</p>
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<p>TR- yeah I'm stuck on the bands too... embarassing :)</p>