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  • NTAN Offline
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    wrote on last edited by Duluth
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    Hodge gets 3 weeks - down from 6. Therefore they considered it Medium and halved it?

    Precedent set.... no wait: its the judiciary, so its just random madness from here on in.

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    Based on that expect Samoa to be losing 2 players for the remainder of their games.

    What are the regulations around losing props and hookers (re: safety)?

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    @Bovidae said in Judiciary Happenings:

    Based on that expect Samoa to be losing 2 players for the remainder of their games.

    What is the regulations around losing props and hookers (re: safety)?

    That's a good question if you only brought 2 hookers like some teams. Have to fly someone in if that's the case I guess?

    Article here - not a lot of detail yet

    Sep 25, 2019

    Rugby World Cup 2019: Wallabies winger Reece Hodge banned for three weeks

    Rugby World Cup 2019: Wallabies winger Reece Hodge banned for three weeks

    Wallabies star Hodge banned for three weeks at World Cup

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    DISCIPLINARY UPDATE: REECE HODGE (AUSTRALIA)
    TOKYO, Sep 25 - Australia’s Reece Hodge appeared before an independent disciplinary committee in Tokyo today having been cited for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.13 (dangerous tackle) in the 25th minute of the Rugby World Cup 2019 Pool D match between Australia and Fiji on 21 September.

    The committee, chaired by Nigel Hampton QC (New Zealand), former international coach Frank Hadden (Scotland) and former referee José Luis Rolandi (Argentina), viewed all the available broadcast angles of the incident, which resulted in Fiji’s Peceli Yato requiring a Head Injury Assessment (HIA).

    In considering all the available evidence, including multiple broadcast angles and submissions from Hodge and his legal representative, the committee deemed that the incident was an act of foul play and warranted a red card in line with the high tackle sanction framework. In following the framework, the committee determined:

    There was an act of foul play (which was reckless, rather than deliberate)
    The act of foul play was a high tackle
    There was contact with the head
    There was a high degree of danger

    Given the above outcomes, the committee determined that the act of foul play warranted a red card.

    The committee applied World Rugby’s mandatory mid-range entry point, which was introduced in 2017 to mitigate the risk of head injuries, which according to World Rugby’s sanctions table, carries a minimum six-match suspension.

    Having acknowledged Hodge’s exemplary disciplinary record, good character and conduct at the hearing, the committee reduced the six-match entry point by three matches, resulting in a sanction of three matches.

    Hodge will miss Australia’s three remaining pool matches. The suspension will end at midnight on 11 October, 2019 after which he is free to resume playing.

    The player has the right to appeal the decision within 48 hours of receiving the written decision.

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    Someone on Twitter just pointed out that the sentence ended up being the same as Barrett's shoulder on Hooper. Is that right? 6 weeks halved for record?

    🤔

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    @Quo-vadis said in Judiciary Happenings:

    The committee, chaired by Nigel Hampton QC (New Zealand),

    Oh right. There we go.

    former international coach Frank Hadden (Scotland)

    And that's for 2015! 😉

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    @Bovidae said in Judiciary Happenings:

    Based on that expect Samoa to be losing 2 players for the remainder of their games.

    You would think so - both of those incidents looked a lot worse than Reece-Hodge.

    But, this is the rugby judiciary... when have we ever witnessed consistency?

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    What a fucking joke.

    I couldn’t believe this was sighted in the first place and I’m absolutely stunned he got a holiday.

    It’s only a matter of time before a big game (ie pool decider or a finals game) is decided on a red card due to minimal accidental contact with the head.

    Rugby is heading down a very slippery slope, one that they won’t be able to climb back out of and it worries me.

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    @Billy-Webb said in Judiciary Happenings:

    @Bovidae said in Judiciary Happenings:

    Based on that expect Samoa to be losing 2 players for the remainder of their games.

    You would think so - both of those incidents looked a lot worse than Reece-Hodge.

    But, this is the rugby judiciary... when have we ever witnessed consistency?

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    @Gunner said in Judiciary Happenings:

    It’s only a matter of time before a big game (ie pool decider or a finals game) is decided on a red card due to minimal accidental contact with the head.

    Been done. Sam Warburton, 2011 v France semifinal.

    Oct 15, 2011  /  Sport

    Wales fall to France after red card strips game of colour | Rugby World Cup semi-final match report

    Wales fall to France after red card strips game of colour | Rugby World Cup semi-final match report

    Wales' World Cup dream ended against France after Sam Warburton's red card stripped the semi-final of colour

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    @NTA said in Judiciary Happenings:

    @Gunner said in Judiciary Happenings:

    It’s only a matter of time before a big game (ie pool decider or a finals game) is decided on a red card due to minimal accidental contact with the head.

    Been done. Sam Warburton, 2011 v France semifinal.

    Oct 15, 2011  /  Sport

    Wales fall to France after red card strips game of colour | Rugby World Cup semi-final match report

    Wales fall to France after red card strips game of colour | Rugby World Cup semi-final match report

    Wales' World Cup dream ended against France after Sam Warburton's red card stripped the semi-final of colour

    There was a piece on this last week.

    New - at least to me - slow-mo angles showing the tackle which I can't remember seeing during the match or soon after.

    Definite red.

    But we lost because we didn't take our points.

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    @MiketheSnow Also that - but the refs had a hardon for tip tackles at that point. You'd have to say it cured players of the urge to lift, generally speaking.

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    @Gunner said in Judiciary Happenings:

    What a fucking joke.

    I couldn’t believe this was sighted in the first place and I’m absolutely stunned he got a holiday.

    I'm stunned that anyone is surprised it went for review and that he'd be given an enforced rest. World Rugby is trying to get a change in the incidence of head contact. This was a clear case of the very thing they're trying to remove.

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    @Gunner said in Judiciary Happenings:

    What a fucking joke.

    I couldn’t believe this was sighted in the first place and I’m absolutely stunned he got a holiday.

    It’s only a matter of time before a big game (ie pool decider or a finals game) is decided on a red card due to minimal accidental contact with the head.

    Rugby is heading down a very slippery slope, one that they won’t be able to climb back out of and it worries me.

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    @booboo said in Judiciary Happenings:

    @Gunner said in Judiciary Happenings:

    What a fucking joke.

    I couldn’t believe this was sighted in the first place and I’m absolutely stunned he got a holiday.

    It’s only a matter of time before a big game (ie pool decider or a finals game) is decided on a red card due to minimal accidental contact with the head.

    Rugby is heading down a very slippery slope, one that they won’t be able to climb back out of and it worries me.

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    Thank u four coreckting me. Eye woodn’t have been abel 2 sleep tonite other y’s.

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  • Billy WebbB Offline
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    @Gunner said in Judiciary Happenings:

    What a fucking joke.

    I couldn’t believe this was sighted in the first place and I’m absolutely stunned he got a holiday.

    It’s only a matter of time before a big game (ie pool decider or a finals game) is decided on a red card due to minimal accidental contact with the head.

    Rugby is heading down a very slippery slope, one that they won’t be able to climb back out of and it worries me.

    I didn't watch the game live. But subsequently saw a bunch of press about the incident, so I watched.
    In real time, it didn't look too bad to me, so my instinct was / is to agree with you.
    But following the 2 Samoan tackles, what did occur to me was that current tackle technique is the issue - it is placing unnecessary risk on the tackled player. The trend of going for the upper body, and leading with the shoulder for maximum stopping impact is fraught with risk. I get why tacklers want to do this but risk of serious injury is high with this approach. Like the now banned tip-tackle, I am in favour of strict rules on this. These are people with families and placing them at unnecessary physical risk, both immediate and in the long term for the sake of a rugby game and our entertainment just doesn't sit well with me.

    And yes. I know this is not tiddlywinks. Nor is it the Roman games.

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    @Gunner said in Judiciary Happenings:

    @booboo said in Judiciary Happenings:

    @Gunner said in Judiciary Happenings:

    What a fucking joke.

    I couldn’t believe this was sighted in the first place and I’m absolutely stunned he got a holiday.

    It’s only a matter of time before a big game (ie pool decider or a finals game) is decided on a red card due to minimal accidental contact with the head.

    Rugby is heading down a very slippery slope, one that they won’t be able to climb back out of and it worries me.

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    Thank u four coreckting me. Eye woodn’t have been abel 2 sleep tonite other y’s.

    Sawn after david.

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    @NTA said in Judiciary Happenings:

    @Gunner said in Judiciary Happenings:

    It’s only a matter of time before a big game (ie pool decider or a finals game) is decided on a red card due to minimal accidental contact with the head.

    Been done. Sam Warburton, 2011 v France semifinal.

    Oct 15, 2011  /  Sport

    Wales fall to France after red card strips game of colour | Rugby World Cup semi-final match report

    Wales fall to France after red card strips game of colour | Rugby World Cup semi-final match report

    Wales' World Cup dream ended against France after Sam Warburton's red card stripped the semi-final of colour

    2015 final almost ruined also.

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    I’m not surprised Hodge got suspended, but thought it may have been a lesser sentence (4 down to 2 because of record).

    Just on replacements and squads, I thought it was mandated that every team bring 3 rakes?

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  • MachpantsM Online
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    @ACT-Crusader nope there are no rules around who is in your 31, just rules around who is in your 23. Up to the team too ensure they reach that

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