RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A)
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@Nepia said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
@NTA said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
@NTA said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
Samoa extremely lucky not to see at least one red card there.
I thought the first one was probably worse - Samoan player did not at any point put themself at a safe height to make contact.
Actually, both of them were riding above the nipple line from the start. Could easily have finished the game with 13 men
They could have used the "didn't mean to" defence that is being used for Hodge by all the Aussie comms.
But this is exactly the point: if Hodge goes through the citing process now, those tackles easily meet the mark as well.
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Can accept lee lo YC but motua was a clear red imo. I expect a citing post match.
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Russia are a surprise package. They are way more structured than I expected. Need more speed and variation but the basics are there.
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Is that Ben afeaki? Great to see him still involved in rugby.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
Is that Ben afeaki? Great to see him still involved in rugby.
He's also the Blues scrum coach.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
Russia are a surprise package. They are way more structured than I expected. Need more speed and variation but the basics are there.
Set piece is good tho I think their coach missed a trick in not bring his reserve props on earlier. Their scrum started to suffer a bit when PAE came on.
A bit slow on the decision making front when they started to get a roll on, but conditions were also tricky.
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@NTA said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
Russia are a surprise package. They are way more structured than I expected. Need more speed and variation but the basics are there.
Set piece is good tho I think their coach missed a trick in not bring his reserve props on earlier. Their scrum started to suffer a bit when PAE came on.
A bit slow on the decision making front when they started to get a roll on, but conditions were also tricky.
I was impressed with their lock (no.5). Russia and Georgia are similar in that they have a competitive pack but their backs can't capitalise on any opportunities created.
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@NTA said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
@Nepia said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
@NTA said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
@NTA said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
Samoa extremely lucky not to see at least one red card there.
I thought the first one was probably worse - Samoan player did not at any point put themself at a safe height to make contact.
Actually, both of them were riding above the nipple line from the start. Could easily have finished the game with 13 men
They could have used the "didn't mean to" defence that is being used for Hodge by all the Aussie comms.
But this is exactly the point: if Hodge goes through the citing process now, those tackles easily meet the mark as well.
Maybe they wont because the appropriate penalty was handed out on the day or maybe they will (I don't know how the citing process works but always thought it was for stuff missed on the field)?
Anyway, I just wanted to get a dig in at the Aussie commentators and personalities losing the plot over this and coming up with every stupid reason under the sun why Hodge is an angel.
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@Nepia said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
Maybe they wont because the appropriate penalty was handed out on the day or maybe they will (I don't know how the citing process works but always thought it was for stuff missed on the field)?
Sometimes that happens as well - "yellow/red card was deemed punishment enough".
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As could be expected:
Samoa centre Rey Lee-Lo and hooker Motu Matu’u have been cited for acts of foul play contrary to Law 9.13 (dangerous high tackle) in Samoa’s Rugby World Cup 2019 match against Russia on 24 September.
The players will attend hearings before an independent Judicial Committee chaired by Wang Shao Ing (Singapore lawyer and former international player), joined by former international players John Langford (Australia) and Olly Kohn (Wales). The hearings will take place in Tokyo on the same date to be agreed with the players and their representatives.
Samoa winger Ed Fidow has received a Citing Commissioner Warning for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.12 (punching or striking) in the same match. This remains on his disciplinary record in the event that he accumulates any combination of three warnings or yellow cards during the tournament.
I can't remember the Ed Fidow one. Was it also a high tackle/shoulder charge?
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@Stargazer he actually threw a punch when there was scuffle
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@Steven-Harris Ah, duh, I should have read the text between brackets: Law 9.12 (punching or striking).
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I really thought the 2nd YC was a joke. That was a red all day long. Lee-lo probably too, but less clear. I suspect he will get 2 games but the hooker is gone-burger for the tournament.
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While not trying to minimise the consequences of a high tackle, I have found it amusing and a satisfyingly ironic that the controversy over the non-RCs to Lee-Lo and Matu'u involved Poite and Garces, the same 2 referees who were at the centre of controversial and series-deciding decisions in the 2nd and 3rd Lions tests. Karma is a bitch.
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@Bovidae said in RWC: Russia v Samoa (Pool A):
While not trying to minimise the consequences of a high tackle, I have found it amusing and a satisfyingly ironic that the controversy over the non-RCs to Lee-Lo and Matu'u involved Poite and Garces, the same 2 referees who were at the centre of controversial and series-deciding decisions in the 2nd and 3rd Lions tests. Karma is a bitch.
I don't get it. Kama for who?
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@Rapido Both would have to be in the conversation when WR publicly criticised the standard of refereeing so far in the RWC. I'm hoping that more sub-standard performances by both of these French referees are reflected in the ref appointments at the pointy end of the tournament.
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Also posted in the "Judiciary happenings" thread:
Rey Lee-Lo suspended for 3 matches
Samoa centre Rey Lee-Lo appeared before an independent judicial committee having been cited for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.13 (dangerous high tackle) in Samoa’s Rugby World Cup 2019 match against Russia on 24 September. The committee, chaired by Wang Shao Ing (Singapore lawyer and former international player) with former international players John Langford (Australia) and Olly Kohn (Wales), heard the case, considering all the available evidence, including multiple broadcast angles and submissions from the player and his representative. The committee deemed that the incident was an act of foul play and warranted a red card in line with the high tackle sanction framework. In following the framework, the committee determined: * There was an act of foul play (which was reckless, rather than deliberate) * The act of foul play was a high tackle * There was contact with the head * There was a high degree of danger * The ball carrier changed height, but not sufficient to mitigate from a red card to a yellow card Given the above outcomes, the committee determined that the act of foul play warranted a red card and applied World Rugby’s mandatory minimum mid-range entry point, which was introduced in 2017 to mitigate the risk of head injuries, carring a minimum six-match suspension. Having acknowledged Lee-Lo’s disciplinary record, good character and conduct at the hearing, the committee reduced the six-match entry point by three matches, resulting in a sanction of three matches. Lee-Lo will miss Samoa’s three remaining pool matches. The suspension will end at midnight on 12 October after which he is free to resume playing. The player has the right to appeal the decision within 48 hours of receiving the written decision, which can be read here when available. -
Time to get injured in training?
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Also posted in the "Judicial happenings" thread:
Motu Matu’u suspended for 3 matches
Samoa hooker Motu Matu’u appeared before an independent judicial committee having been cited for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.13 (dangerous high tackle) in Samoa’s Rugby World Cup 2019 match against Russia on 24 September. The committee, chaired by Wang Shao Ing (Singapore lawyer and former international player) with former international players John Langford (Australia) and Olly Kohn (Wales), heard the case, considering all the available evidence, including multiple broadcast angles and submissions from the player and his representative. The committee, by majority, deemed that the incident was an act of foul play and warranted a red card for the following reasons: * it was a reckless high tackle which made contact with the head of the opposition ball carrier * a high degree of danger was reflected in the approach to the contact and follow-through * the factors against mitigation in the High Tackle Sanction Framework were present, in that the tackler and the ball carrier were in open space and the tackler had clear line of sight of the ball carrier * the majority of the committee were not satisfied that the change in height of the ball carrier was unreasonable and/or outside the estimation of the player. The player’s execution of the tackle resulted in a loss of control of the terms of contact with the opposition ball carrier The committee applied World Rugby’s mandatory minimum mid-range entry point, which was introduced in 2017 to mitigate the risk of head injuries, carrying a minimum six-match suspension. Having acknowledged Matu’u’s disciplinary record, good character and conduct at the hearing, the committee reduced the six-match entry point by three matches, resulting in a sanction of three matches. The sanction applies to the next three matches Matu’u is scheduled to play in. Matu’u is not scheduled to play for Samoa against Scotland on 30 September due to undergoing the graduated return to play protocol. He will therefore miss Samoa’s final two pool matches and the quarter-final should Samoa progress, or his next scheduled match with his club London Irish on 26 October, 2019. The suspension will therefore end at midnight after the Rugby World Cup 2019 quarter-finals if Samoa qualify or at midnight on 26 October if Samoa do not qualify for the quarter-finals, after which he is free to resume playing. The player has the right to appeal the decision within 48 hours of receiving the written decision.Note how they take into account that he wasn't going to play the next pool game anyway, and therefore don't count that match for his suspension!
