2019 RWC - Squads
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@Daffy-Jaffy As well as multiple seasons at Northcote.
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From BBC rugby-
Danny Care questions level of 'loyalty' after being left out by England:-
Scrum-half Danny Care says selecting players for international teams on the basis of their residency or relations will inevitably breed resentment.Willi Heinz, who has an English grandmother but was born and raised in New Zealand, was picked ahead of Care in England's World Cup squad.
"Players are just pawns. You look at it and is there much loyalty in it? Maybe not," he told Rugby Union Weekly.
"Some are given an easier route than those who worked a fair bit harder."
Care, 32, has won 84 England caps, but only one of those has come at a World Cup. He was ruled out of the 2011 tournament with a toe injury and was third-choice scrum-half in 2015, making a solitary appearance in England's 60-3 dead-rubber win over Uruguay.
He says that he holds no hard feelings towards Heinz, who moved to Gloucester in 2015 from Canterbury-based Crusaders, but believes the current eligibility rules are unfair.
Second row Devin Toner was overlooked for Ireland's World Cup squad in favour of South Africa-born Jean Kleyn, who served out the required three-year residency period in August.
"I started playing rugby at five in England, dreamed of playing for my country in a World Cup," continued Care."You do all the hard work, you stay in England, don't look to play for a club abroad to make more money because you want to play for England and win a World Cup - now that is not going to happen.
"A lot of players who have done well for whatever country and it comes to the World Cup, the pinnacle, where you hope that loyalty and hard work is paid back and it is taken away from you. That is the disappointment. That is why is hurts so much."
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Here's your ammo for when those northerners want to accost you about NZ poaching from the islands.
Number of Foreign-born Players per Country -
19 Samoa
16 Tonga
15 USA
14 Japan, Scotland
12 Australia
8 Italy, Wales
6 England
5 France
4 Canada, Fiji, Ireland
3 New Zealand
1 Georgia, Russia South Africa
0 Argentina, Namibia, UruguayThe Main Donors -
48 New Zealand
18 England
13 Australia, South Africa
8 Tonga
7 Fiji
6 Ireland -
@Daffy-Jaffy said in 2019 RWC - Squads:
Here's your ammo for when those northerners want to accost you about NZ poaching from the islands.
Number of Foreign-born Players per Country -
19 Samoa
16 Tonga
15 USA
14 Japan, Scotland
12 Australia
8 Italy, Wales
7 England
5 France
4 Canada, Fiji, Ireland, New Zealand
1 Georgia, Russia South Africa
0 Argentina, Namibia, UruguayThe Main Donors -
48 New Zealand
18 England
13 Australia, South Africa
8 Tonga
7 Fiji
6 IrelandThose numbers differ slightly from this list:
Foreign-Born / Raised Players at RWC 2019 - Americas Rugby News
20 teams will compete at RWC 2019 in Japan. Of them 17 have selected players from other countries. How then did they come to qualify for the country they are representing? The following article is aimed at explaining who they are and how they qualify. It is not an opinion piece but instead sets out...
Close enough though.
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@mofitzy_ Interesting, I picked that list from a Rugby 365 article. Your links info looks more thoroughly detailed and researched though so may be more accurate.
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@Daffy-Jaffy
Stargazer posted it in the eligibility thread.Agree that it seems well researched - though a quick look at wiki shows Nepo's younger brother (by 3 years) Luteru was born in NZ, which should have made him eligible by 99 if Nepo was also in NZ at the time. Don't know the family history though.
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@mofitzy_ I just edited a couple of the numbers from the 365 article list that were wrong including for NZ which listed Vaia Fifita as one and also had Fogapoa Savai’i, Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea in the England squad - so not so well researched then! lol.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in 2019 RWC - Squads:
Here's your ammo for when those northerners want to accost you about NZ poaching from the islands.
Number of Foreign-born Players per Country -
19 Samoa
16 Tonga
15 USA
14 Japan, Scotland
12 Australia
8 Italy, Wales
6 England
5 France
4 Canada, Fiji, Ireland
3 New Zealand
1 Georgia, Russia South Africa
0 Argentina, Namibia, UruguayThe Main Donors -
48 New Zealand
18 England
13 Australia, South Africa
8 Tonga
7 Fiji
6 IrelandNah, nah, not listening, NZ pillage and rape the Islands, not listening, don't mention Vunipola, Tualagi and Aki, NZ pillage and rape the Islands, nah nah, not listening
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@Daffy-Jaffy Danny Care just sounds very bitter and jeolous. In the end, loyalty doesn't matter if the selectors think another player is better. Just like anyone else, selectors want to win the RWC; loyalty doesn't win you Cups; the best team does.
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@Stargazer said in 2019 RWC - Squads:
Danny Care just sounds very bitter and jeolous.
A whiney little bitch half back, and an English one at that. Who would have thought?
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in 2019 RWC - Squads:
Interesting, I picked that list from a Rugby 365 article. Your links info looks more thoroughly detailed and researched though so may be more accurate.
That Rugby 365 article still has Fifita in the list of foreign-born players (not in the NZ squad though); so one foreign born player too many. If they make that kind of mistakes, I won't trust the other country lists, either.
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@Stargazer Yeah i became aware of that. See my reply to Mofitzy above (they listed a Papua New Guinean in the England squad!). Not very thorough research or proof reading before it was published, but i often find 365 and even Rugby Pass like that.
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@Snowy said in 2019 RWC - Squads:
@Stargazer said in 2019 RWC - Squads:
Danny Care just sounds very bitter and jeolous.
A whiney little bitch half back, and an English one at that. Who would have thought?
I listened to the podcast this morning and those quotes do sound whiny but he was very at ease with not making the Cup squad. He was using himself as an example of when players born/bred in a country are overlooked by a Jean-y come lately.
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@Wurzel Fair enough. I don't like the residency rules either but he also wasn't good enough to make the squad. I didn't make the ABs again, more to do with being old and useless at rugby, than residency, but I am disappointed nonetheless.
Has the 5 year rule been implemented yet? That will make it a bit better I suppose.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in 2019 RWC - Squads:
Here's your ammo for when those northerners want to accost you about NZ poaching from the islands.
Number of Foreign-born Players per Country -
19 Samoa
16 Tonga
15 USA
14 Japan, Scotland
12 Australia
8 Italy, Wales
6 England
5 France
4 Canada, Fiji, Ireland
3 New Zealand
1 Georgia, Russia South Africa
0 Argentina, Namibia, UruguayThe Main Donors -
48 New Zealand
18 England
13 Australia, South Africa
8 Tonga
7 Fiji
6 IrelandExtraordinary that Namibia apparently have 0 foreign born players, with their SAF links up to 1990.
Bothma, who pulled out, was SAF born.
Frankly, I'd prefer it if Namibia had a few Saffan pros to bolster them a bit.
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