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<p>Yep I don't doubt that the sheer <em>number</em> of firearms makes the ease of killing someone easier, and you're going to have X whack jobs per capita.</p>
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<p>We had our Martin Bryant thing - the wiki entry for which is fucking chilling I must say - so there will always be outliers.</p>
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However, I'm still shaking my head when you hear about some 5yo kid shooting his grandma dead after getting into her purse and finding a Glock. Its even worse when one of their younger siblings is shot. Sheer, adult ignorance and irresponsibility.</p></blockquote>IIRC the case you mention was the mum being shot by her 2 year old son in Walmart, she was apparently a gun person. This begs the question, how is gun safety being taught in the U.S? In both cases, the owners of the guns displayed a poor standard of safety and the results were suitably tragic. They should know better, but clearly they don't -
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<p>As for America, holy fuck. People did think with electing Obama they had progressed a bit, but the inherent racism of that country is there like a cancer all the time, and it's everywhere. Even in 2015, black lives aren't worth shit, and that is truly horrifying. When cops, the people who are supposed to serve and protect EVERYONE treat them as worthless - shoot kids, shoot unarmed men in the back etc, what message does that send to the fucked up racist shitheads? That it is ok. Ditto for the media coverage. Fox News, the newspapers...you look at crime stories and how they portray suspects and victims. White killers/rapists etc are very often 'lone wolves' or 'good boys' who snapped/fell victim to mental illness. Black victims will have some shitty photo, any record of any kind will be trumpeted to the high heavens like they 'deserved it', accomplishments brushed over. It's disgusting.</p>
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<p>Yes it is way too easy to procure a gun in the States, and I believe their 'right to bear arms' has done them more harm than good for a very long time, but they have a hugely powerful gun lobby over there, and all the useless politicians getting contributions aren't exactly going to fall over themselves to push for tighter restrictions.</p>
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<p>It's a shit of a cycle. And I hate to think what might be needed for people to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The stats haven't done anything. Multiple school and campus shootings haven't done anything. And now we have a church shooting, and yet it still seems that is not horrifying enough to instigate change.</p> -
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It's a shit of a cycle. And I hate to think what might be needed for people to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The stats haven't done anything. Multiple school and campus shootings haven't done anything. And now we have a church shooting, and yet it still seems that is not horrifying enough to instigate change.</p></blockquote>Its not just racism, look at the fuss over the Supreme Court ruling in favour of legalising gay marriage in all states. <br><br>
Americans are fucking stupid. The president's Supreme Court ruling in favour of keeping Obamacare gave the thumbs up to a system of subsidy to at risk citizens that is nothing compared to our system, yet the republicans would label him a communist for it. The funny thing is that a lot of rednecks vote for the GOP and they are the very people who would benefit from subsidised health care -
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Americans are fucking stupid. The president's Supreme Court ruling in favour of keeping Obamacare gave the thumbs up to a system of subsidy to at risk citizens that is nothing compared to our system, yet the republicans would label him a communist for it. The funny thing is that a lot of rednecks vote for the GOP and they are the very people who would benefit from subsidised health care</p>
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Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?