2019 Cricket ODI WC
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@Cyclops said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
The aussies just don't seem to have any idea about who they want to be. Outwardly they say they want to play in 'the spirit' and comparisons are made to us, but they seem to think that just saying that means everyone should respect them in the same way they do us.
I think they genuinely tried to play in the right spirit under Mark Taylor & Steve Waugh.
Seemed to fade away quite quickly under Ponting once Oz started losing.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Seemed to fade away quite quickly under Ponting once Oz started losing.
Agreed, Ponting was a cock at times. Clarke was worse (except the Jimmy Anderson "broken fucken arm" thing - because Anderson was as big a cock)
Still
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Agreed, Ponting was a cock at times
A tale of two captains.
Mark Taylor, struggling for form, gets a genuine standing ovation from the Edgebaston crowd when he finally managed a 50 .....
...and Ponting gets booed when he got a ton at Lords.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Agreed, Ponting was a cock at times
A tale of two captains.
Mark Taylor, struggling for form, gets a genuine standing ovation from the Edgebaston crowd when he finally managed a 50 .....
...and Ponting gets booed when he got a ton at Lords.
Changing crowds as well. English supporters added a distinct layer of chav after they won Ashes and handed out all those knighthoods.
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@Victor-Meldrew said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Seemed to fade away quite quickly under Ponting once Oz started losing.
Agreed, Ponting was a cock at times. Clarke was worse (except the Jimmy Anderson "broken fucken arm" thing - because Anderson was as big a cock)
Still
Thank you Brad Haddin ... excuses all
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@booboo said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
And losing to Bangles. Surely that's must win?
They are no easy beats any more. Spanked us over there in a series I think, and have taken almost all top scallops in the last few years. Good for them, it's taken a while but they have improved substantially
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SA have India next up, so could be 0-3 and staring down the barrel of another embarrassing CWC.
However, they haven't lost that third game yet and even if they do, it's possible Bangladesh could be a force at this tournament in which case maybe we lose to them this week as well. Losses to them and likely semi finalists England and India across nine matches if they win enough of their other games, wouldn't be the end of the world.
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@shark said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
SA have India next up, so could be 0-3 and staring down the barrel of another embarrassing CWC.
However, they haven't lost that third game yet and even if they do, it's possible Bangladesh could be a force at this tournament in which case maybe we lose to them this week as well. Losses to them and likely semi finalists England and India across nine matches if they win enough of their other games, wouldn't be the end of the world.
Yeah, it would. Realistically to make the playoffs you are going to need to win at least five of your nine games. Six will guarantee you a berth but you can get in with five and a good net run rate. South Africa are lucky that they haven't lost by large margins. However, they have still lost two games and can only afford to lose one more in the whole tournament. If they lose to India, they probably need to win eight games in a row to be world champions. If they have a loss in there, then they will be relying on some big wins. South Africa are already at $5.50 to even reach the semi final.
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@booboo said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Is that the equivalent to Japan beating the Bokke?
Bangladesh are ranked above Sri Lanka and the Windies by a long way. They are a good ODI side, although they don't travel well. You would expect South Africa to beat them in England though.
You have to ask some questions of South Africa. Why is Morris even there? Why has Philander not got a look in? South Africa seem to produce another quality pace bowler every time you look but for some reason Morris is still in the ODI team.
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@booboo said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Is that the equivalent to Japan beating the Bokke?
More like losing to Scotland - but, it's hugely damaging to their tournament chances.
According to me, the top three teams are England, Australia and India.
Then there's NZ, SA, Windies (who look much better than their ranking suggests).
Bangladesh and Pakistan a bit further back (though I might be underestimating the Bangles and overestimating Pakistan).
Then Sri Lanka and Afghanistan, who are "absolutely must win" points.
Dropping any points to the bottom four are costly, because obviously you've got to make up those points elsewhere - against the good teams.
Of course, it's also being held in England and Wales, so rain is surely going to play a role. If the Jaapies get games washed out they need them to be vs India and Oz. Really can't afford any washouts against the other lower ranked teams now!
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@Chris-B said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@booboo said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Is that the equivalent to Japan beating the Bokke?
More like losing to Scotland - but, it's hugely damaging to their tournament chances.
According to me, the top three teams are England, Australia and India.
Then there's NZ, SA, Windies (who look much better than their ranking suggests).
Bangladesh and Pakistan a bit further back (though I might be underestimating the Bangles and overestimating Pakistan).
Then Sri Lanka and Afghanistan, who are "absolutely must win" points.
Dropping any points to the bottom four are costly, because obviously you've got to make up those points elsewhere - against the good teams.
Of course, it's also being held in England and Wales, so rain is surely going to play a role. If the Jaapies get games washed out they need them to be vs India and Oz. Really can't afford any washouts against the other lower ranked teams now!
Not to mention run rate being a factor too. Personally I reckon we should be number one instead of the Windies who lost three wickets chasing their small total as opposed to us losing none.
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@hydro11 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@booboo said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
You have to ask some questions of South Africa. Why is Morris even there? Why has Philander not got a look in? South Africa seem to produce another quality pace bowler every time you look but for some reason Morris is still in the ODI team.
Another question is "Why so many old men"?
Tahir, Amla, Steyn, Duminy, Faf - they're all 35 or older. Well, Faf isn't quite 35, but he will be by the time the tournament ends.
Add in Morris, who's 32, and looks like wishful thinking.
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@Chris-B said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@hydro11 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@booboo said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
You have to ask some questions of South Africa. Why is Morris even there? Why has Philander not got a look in? South Africa seem to produce another quality pace bowler every time you look but for some reason Morris is still in the ODI team.
Another question is "Why so many old men"?
Tahir, Amla, Steyn, Duminy, Faf - they're all 35 or older. Well, Faf isn't quite 35, but he will be by the time the tournament ends.
Add in Morris, who's 32, and looks like wishful thinking.
They're at the end of a golden generation, now facing a (batting) talent cliff.
Surfacing first in ODIs. Their bowling still makes them a potent test team.
Not making the semis would be expected this time, wise after the fact, although they're probably going to go down in more flames than predicted
They have no batters. And tbh only 1, Rousouw, has kolpaked himself.
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@Chris-B said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@hydro11 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@booboo said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
You have to ask some questions of South Africa. Why is Morris even there? Why has Philander not got a look in? South Africa seem to produce another quality pace bowler every time you look but for some reason Morris is still in the ODI team.
Another question is "Why so many old men"?
Tahir, Amla, Steyn, Duminy, Faf - they're all 35 or older. Well, Faf isn't quite 35, but he will be by the time the tournament ends.
Add in Morris, who's 32, and looks like wishful thinking.
It’s not rugby @Chris-B 😀
Depth in SA cricket has been an issue for some time, so there’s no real pressure being put on some of these established players. All good players in their own right, but sometimes selection pressure can add to performance.
