Magpies - 2019 Mitre 10 Cup
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Not sure I can make it with work, but will attempt to get there if things go OK the rest of this week.
Last time I saw us play against The Bush was in the 90's (I think) with Higgins at Masterton, where we were lucky to come away with a narrow win (or was it a loss? I can't remember other than it was an awful performance by us). Anyway, I still think of them as a hoodoo side.
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@Stockcar86 said in Magpies - 2019 Mitre 10 Cup:
Not sure I can make it with work, but will attempt to get there if things go OK the rest of this week.
Last time I saw us play against The Bush was in the 90's (I think) with Higgins at Masterton, where we were lucky to come away with a narrow win (or was it a loss? I can't remember other than it was an awful performance by us). Anyway, I still think of them as a hoodoo side.
I hope you weren't at Masterton in 1985 when first division Wairarapa Bush thrashed second division Hawke's Bay 53-6?
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@Number-10 I was not there that day but seem to recollect we played them on the way home from getting rolled midweek in Blenheim by Marlborough. Certainly not one of our finest weeks results and performance wise. Not sure which game 86 is referring to as I certainly attended an awful lot of games against the Bush both in Masterton and one particularly memorable one midweek in Pahiatua on a bitterly cold and wet day (maybe hints of snow?) the same day one of the banks in Woodville was subject to an armed robbery. Took quite a while to get through the police blocks and car searches to make it through to Pahiatua. Seem to recall John Bird came off a bit before full time that day. Mention was made that it may have been that he wanted to make sure he got what was left of the hot water in the showers!!! Don't recall the year or the result (pretty sure the Bay got home reasonably comfortably) but Norm Hewitt was definitely playing. Think it would probably have been in the very late 80 or maybe even as late as 1991 or 92. Over to you Stargazer to come up with the year of that match played in Pahiatua.
Perhaps the match Stockcar86 and I were present at may have been around about 1995 and almost certain we got robbed of victory that day. I do know 86 and I certainly enjoyed slaughtering puny Nelson Bays by about sixty points not long afterward and celebrated Roger Randell scoring three or four tries that day in good fashion. Might have been the year we got cleaned up somewhat big time by North Auckland twice in Whangarei in consecutive weeks (round robin and semi-final). Stargazer will again be able to put us right on that as well for sure. -
Going by the Rugby Almanack:
The one in Masterton after the match in Blenheim was 1987, Hawke's Bay losing 18-19.
The one in Pahiatua with John Bird and Norm Hewitt playing was 1992, Hawke's Bay winning 44-5.
That 1995 match in Masterton, Almanack tells me we lost 16-34, our only try being a penalty try.
I was at Masterton in 1998 when Hawke's Bay played there - it was Orcades Crawford's 100th match, Hawke's Bay lost 15-20. It was played the weekend the Central Vikings (remember them?) had a bye. To make it worse, the following week the Vikings thrashed Wairarapa Bush 79-12.
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It was so long ago that things must have got a bit confused in my aging memory. I can ceratinly recall learning of the smacking by fifty whilst doing something in Napier that Saturday, it still causes great anxiety to this day. At least the one point loss to them after the Marlborough game was not quite as bad. Come to think of it with it being a non championship game and home referees officiating we might have been struck with the Bob Francis curse where we never seemed to win with him reffing.
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@Number-10 said in Magpies - 2019 Mitre 10 Cup:
I was at Masterton in 1998 when Hawke's Bay played there - it was Orcades Crawford's 100th match, Hawke's Bay lost 15-20. It was played the weekend the Central Vikings (remember them?) had a bye. To make it worse, the following week the Vikings thrashed Wairarapa Bush 79-12.
At least in 1998 we managed to absolutely dismember Manawatu by a massive margin in Palm Nth one mid week night. I travelled up from Wellington for the occasion and was one of only about a hundred spectators present, one spectator for almost every point run up by the Bay. Think we got something aroound the mid 80s but Manawatu might have scrambled into double figures toward the end to spoil the experience somewhat. Not a single beer passed my lips in celebration afterward, mainly thanks to having to drive back to the Capital for work the following morning!
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Hawke's Bay team named to play Wairarapa Bush on Monday, 1pm
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Pouri Rakete-Stones
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Jack Nelson-Murray
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Joel Hintz (c)
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Dan Law
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Donovan Mataira
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Eru Wano
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Ricky Hayes
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Albert Hemopo
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Zac Donaldson
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Kodie Drury-Hawkins
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Anzelo Tuitavuki
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Tyrone Dodds-Edwards
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Antonio Mikaele-Tu'u
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Lester Maulolo
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Michael Buckley
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Damarus Hokianga
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Patrick Teddy
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Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe
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Mikaele Tapili
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Liam Udy-Jones
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Trent Hape
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Pedro Benzanilla-Corte
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Saia Paese
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Patrick Allen
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Sean Morrison
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Iakopo Mapu
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Timo Vaiusu
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Lincoln McClutchie
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Shamara Brooks
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Junior Malielegaoi
Only 4 of the 15 reserves are backs.
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@Number-10 Apart from the few (former) Magpies in that list, it looks more like a line-up for a Hawke's Bay Saracens trial game. Very few of these players will make the Magpies; why are they calling this a preseason game for the Magpies? Or are we going to field a team in the Heartland competition as well?
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@Stargazer I guess they have to look at as many players as possible in case there are injuries or possibly All Black call ups during the itm cup,but I agree it should be called saracens or hawkes bay A or something.
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@kiwimatrix I think they call this team "Hawke's Bay XV", but obviously it's a trial game for some Magpies spots. I'm just surprised that they are casting the net as wide as they are doing here. I assume that it's indeed also a trial game for the Saracens, where the players will come from in case of many injuries.
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It's a pity I can't come to the game, because I'm very interested in how they're going to fill the second & third first five-eighth spot (also depending on how they see Stacey Ili's role) as well as the third halfback. So Sheild v Donaldson for the third 9 jersey, and Hape v Drury-Hawkins v Brooks for the first five roles.
Props are interesting, too, assuming Jason Long, Tim Farrell (?), Pourie Rakete-Stones and Ben May are the only certainties for the Magpies, and Tavita-Metcalfe a frontrunner for the remaing spots. I think Joel Hintz will be reasonably certain, too, considering they're giving him the captaincy for this game and he's played for Wellington.
I think hooker is pretty settled, too, with Ash Dixon, Kianu Kereru-Symes and, probably, Jacob Devery. Has Ben Power been spotted in the Bay the last few months?
We have already 4 locks (with Cridge able to play at 6), 5 if you count Tom Parsons; so presumably these players are only playing for a Saracens spot.
Loosies, we have a few already, but I think this is where still spots will be available.
There are also free spots in the midfield, with only Ili a certainty, although it will depend also on where they're going to play Toala and Lowe. Toala may get that 12 jersey, with Sam McNicol probably slotting in at fullback. Emerson and possibly Buckley for the outside backs spots.
So Neria Fomai, Dodds-Edwards and A Mikaele-Tu'u will probably be the main candidates for the remaining midfield spots, and Sapsford and Paese for the remaining outside back spots, with Penikolo Latu possibly as another utility back.
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Well, it was like this.
The Magpies XV led 42-0 after 55 minutes (six converted tries), and Wairarapa Bush won the last 25 minutes 17-0 (three tries), final score 42-17.
The match ended with Wairarapa Bush being held up over the HB line, so the final score was very nearly 42-22 (24).
Whatever aspirants were hopeful of impressing to get a Magpies contract probably had a black line put through their name.
28 players were used, with six of the changes made at halftime. Only two players played the whole 80 - Michael Buckley and Iakopo Mapu, and Mapu looked distinctly struggling at fulltime.
Penalty count was something like 15-3 against HB and spent the last ten minutes with 14 men (yellow card).
The starting fifteen was definitely superior to the finishing fifteen, 28-0 at halftime. Dominated possession and territory, and pushed the WBush scrum back at will. Second half, the dominance was a lot less.
Lincoln McClutchie was one of the six who came on at halftime and played at fullback. When Hintz was subbed off in the second half, McClutchie took over the captaincy.
Only five players used had appeared for the Magpies in Mitre 10 Cup - Pouri Rakete-Stones, Zac Donaldson, Michael Buckley, Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe and McClutchie.
You're right @Higgins, Hintz is small for a prop - I was surprised. Effective? Hard to tell, but probably will get a contract because of his previous experience at first-class level.
Set piece was fine throughout, but the penalty count was atrocious.
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Scorers:
Hawke's Bay Magpies 42 (Antonio Mikaele-Tu'u 2, Iakopo Mapu, Anzelo Tuitavuki, Tyrone Dodd-Edwards, Timo Vaiusu tries; Kodie Drury-Hawkins 4, Lincoln McClutchie 2 cons),
Wairarapa Bush 17 (Brock Price 2, Robbie Anderson tries; Anderson con).
HT: 28-0.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=12236896
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How did Dodds-Edwards go at 12? Like I said about club rugby on Saturday, he seemed to have the size but still a bit raw in terms of skills and decision making
