FIFA Officials Arrested
-
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="sparky" data-cid="493055" data-time="1432847068"><p>When the police came to arrest the 7 Fifa officials, they rolled around on the ground several time feigning injury.<br><br>
Blatter is the kingpin here. He's the Capone of football.</p></blockquote>
Saw this yesterday:<br><br>
[attachment=1754:IMG_20150529_074757.jpg] -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Mokey" data-cid="493056" data-time="1432848547">
<div>
<p>Blatter is unbelievable. His reign stretches over a time of terrible corruption and ridiculous decisions, and he says he welcomes the probe - and to re-elect him president. Now that is steel balled cold, right there. You can only imagine who he will sacrifice (and keep sacrificing) to get what he wants.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>How can they possibly hold elections with this dangling like an anvil?</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>I think it's a great time for an election. Will show up those countries that hold him accountable and those that are complicit (NZ included).</p>
<p> </p>
<p>It is quite obvious that NZ has done something to appease the FIFA machine with the awarding of 3 age group WCs in recent times. Not sure if it is a naive acceptance of a payback from the Charlie Dempsey thing or what, but we are happily accepting the 'rewards' they are throwing us for something we have done and continuing to back the hand that is feeding us.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Blatter inferring that this was all hidden from him is incredible. The 'Sergeant Schultz' defence.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="493061" data-time="1432850179">
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:12px;">It is quite obvious that NZ has done something to appease the FIFA machine with the awarding of 3 age group WCs in recent times. Not sure if it is a naive acceptance of a payback from the Charlie Dempsey thing or what, but we are happily accepting the 'rewards' they are throwing us for something we have done and continuing to back the hand that is feeding us.</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Blatter is a politician in a fairly safe seat. He's looking after us well and we're voting for him. At times he's made noises about Oceania having direct entry into the FWC - which makes bugger all sense really - except that it helps deliver quite a few country votes (Tuvalu = China) to Blatter. Same sort of patronage system exists across many international agencies. </p> -
<p>What a godsend this whole thing must be for the US Department of Justice that has become a laughing stock within their home country for their complete incompetence to curb institutional, corporate and congressional corruption.<br>
FIFA represents an incredibly soft target……old style money laundering, racketeering and suitcases full of cash! Yeah….lets go after that….we can probably proof something! ( but let’s not go anywhere near the average $1.2 billion of “dark†campaign donations per candidate finding its way to prop up each and every US president…..noooooooo…..that’s just lobbying.)<br>
FFS! You have another Clinton!....and another Bush!.....coming up for election in 2016!<br>
Paying $40 000 cash in a suitcase to buy a vote = corruption<br>
Paying $ 1.2 billion to buy a president = lobbying</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mmmmmmm……</p>
<p>Let’s keep going…..<br>
Fuck up a non US sport code in the process….check<br>
Fuck up an upcoming Russian event in the process…check<br>
Fuck up an upcoming Middle Eastern event in the process…check<br>
Detract from the fact that we can’t touch any high flying corruption on home soil…check<br>
Put the focus back on third world corruption…check (nearly all the guys implicated up to now are from third world countries)</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mmmmmmm……</p>
<p>Are FIFA corrupt…off course they are. Their problem is that they are not sophisticated enough to hide the corruption in bonus and incentive schemes as per the norm in the modern corporate world.</p>
<p>They are old style crooks….. in a world that is only able to catch old style criminals.<br>
You scratch my back…...I’ll scratch yours……Very, very old principle….only the rules of how you hide it has changed.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Out of this entire bloody affair........what I am most interested in.....is this...<br>
Who were the idiots that approved $46 million(?) of Australian taxpayers money to run a campaign that netted……one vote!</p>
<p>Think of how many people made quite a bit of money from that campaign…probably knowing full well from the start that they don’t have a snowball’s hope in hell to get the nod.</p>
<p>Probably charged $15 million for a power point presentation that included a kangaroo somewhere……</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I think it was Commodore Vanderbilt that once said the definition of an honest politician is:<br>
One who when bought….stays bought…</p> -
And I read somewhere that the South African government is "accused" of underwriting a $10 million bribe that secured the 2010 games.........that would be the bargain of the century!! I think it was probably closer to $100 million. Buying the games for Africa for the first time in history.......priceless.
-
<p>I'm confused El Toro.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Are you saying that the FIFA corruption is OK because others are also corrupt (and depending on your viewpoint they aren't the worst)?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Are you also saying that paying bribes is OK if it gets good results?</p> -
Better than paying bribes for shit outcomes, like Qatar...
-
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="493101" data-time="1432866860">
<div>
<p>I'm confused El Toro.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Are you saying that the FIFA corruption is OK because others are also corrupt (and depending on your viewpoint they aren't the worst)?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Are you also saying that paying bribes is OK if it gets good results?</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>I am pointing out the naivety and subjectivity of dealing with the term ......corruption. And how certain people like to define it for their benefit.....I am not defending it.</p>
<p>And I do cringe a little when the cop is arresting somebody with his left hand…while the right hand is dripping with blood from his own murderous spree……</p>
<p> </p>
<p>
One man's corruption/ bribe is another man's "business skill"…<br>
In first world countries "sophisticated" means are used to set up agreements for people in corporate and political power to gain enormous wealth from anything like arms deals.....to agricultural produce.....screwing the competition in the process....and even sending thousands to their graves in extreme cases. All done by upstanding citizens..... above board....untouchable in a court of law.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>
It works differently in third world countries......a "doorman" fee of varying percentage is the norm in Africa and lots of other third world countries. It is simple business, comes with the territory and not even frowned upon. Huge multi-nationals doing business in Africa knows this and adapt their systems to accommodate the norm. All the big miners......everyone knows you won’t get anything done if you don't participate.<br>
The difference between the two systems is that one comes with less red tape…..<br>
Whether it is wrong or right is not my point........</p>
<p> </p>
<p>
And I feel bugger all for FIFA...... they can fry for all I care.......the irony that the whole case was built on simple tax evasion adds to the stupidity of those involved.....fuck the Feds......the IRS will get you if nobody else will!</p>
<p>
But I do laugh at the naivety and moral outrage of people cocooned in a first world bubble of spin and bullshit.....falling over much bigger corruption every day without even noticing it......<br>
How do you stamp it out? Fuck knows......probably can’t be done. One way or the other it will surface again.....wearing a new coat.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>
Also.....Can you think of a "fair" system of allocating the soccer WC? Fair to whom?<br>
One where the guy with the biggest budget won’t simply bully the small guys into oblivion?</p> -
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theonion.com/article/fifa-frantically-announces-2015-summer-world-cup-u-50525'>http://www.theonion.com/article/fifa-frantically-announces-2015-summer-world-cup-u-50525</a></p>
-
<p>why do many announce who they are going to vote for? </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Kinda 'peer pressure' situation about who to vote for??</p> -
<p>adds a bit to the price</p>
-
<p>Doesn't matter how it is dressed up - I abhor any practice where self-enrichment trumps making good (or at least well-intentioned) decisions by people in positions of trust and responsibility.</p>
<p>I concur that it would be naive to think it doesn't happen constantly, in a myriad of so-called <em>legitimate</em> ways in pretty much every corner of the globe in most spheres of life.</p>
<p>But that doesn't make it any more right and so I welcome any efforts at exposing these practices and cleaning them up. Even if that results in a "pot / kettle" situation.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Chris B." data-cid="493063" data-time="1432852093">
<div>
<p>Blatter is a politician in a fairly safe seat. He's looking after us well and we're voting for him. At times he's made noises about Oceania having direct entry into the FWC - which makes bugger all sense really - except that it helps deliver quite a few country votes (Tuvalu = China) to Blatter. Same sort of patronage system exists across many international agencies. </p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Highly familiar to me, as I am on the board for the NZ Chess Federation, and FIDE (world chess federation) is basically the same - one nation, one vote, and a president who gets lots of votes from non-Western countries by providing "grants" to smaller countries... We haven't voted for him for years because we don't view that as helpful.</p>
<p> </p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/68982533/new-zealand-football-to-vote-for-prince-ali-bin-alhussein-and-change-of-fifa-leadership'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/68982533/new-zealand-football-to-vote-for-prince-ali-bin-alhussein-and-change-of-fifa-leadership</a></p>
<p> </p>
<p>Apparently NZF are not voting for Blatter.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="El Toro supremo" data-cid="493106" data-time="1432871937">
<div>
<p>I am pointing out the naivety and subjectivity of dealing with the term ......corruption. And how certain people like to define it for their benefit.....I am not defending it.</p>
<p>And I do cringe a little when the cop is arresting somebody with his left hand…while the right hand is dripping with blood from his own murderous spree……</p>
<p> </p>
<p>One man's corruption/ bribe is another man's "business skill"…<br>
In first world countries "sophisticated" means are used to set up agreements for people in corporate and political power to gain enormous wealth from anything like arms deals.....to agricultural produce.....screwing the competition in the process....and even sending thousands to their graves in extreme cases. All done by upstanding citizens..... above board....untouchable in a court of law.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>It works differently in third world countries......a "doorman" fee of varying percentage is the norm in Africa and lots of other third world countries. It is simple business, comes with the territory and not even frowned upon. Huge multi-nationals doing business in Africa knows this and adapt their systems to accommodate the norm. All the big miners......everyone knows you won’t get anything done if you don't participate.<br>
The difference between the two systems is that one comes with less red tape…..<br>
Whether it is wrong or right is not my point........</p>
<p> </p>
<p>And I feel bugger all for FIFA...... they can fry for all I care.......the irony that the whole case was built on simple tax evasion adds to the stupidity of those involved.....fuck the Feds......the IRS will get you if nobody else will!</p>
<p>But I do laugh at the naivety and moral outrage of people cocooned in a first world bubble of spin and bullshit.....falling over much bigger corruption every day without even noticing it......<br>
How do you stamp it out? Fuck knows......probably can’t be done. One way or the other it will surface again.....wearing a new coat.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Also.....Can you think of a "fair" system of allocating the soccer WC? Fair to whom?<br>
One where the guy with the biggest budget won’t simply bully the small guys into oblivion?</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>You haven't actually provided any evidence of the other sort of corruption. You also don't provide any sources. You come up with 1.2 billion dollars from somewhere but the New York Times says both Obama and Romney spent less than that in the last election. What is this bigger bribery we are falling over every day?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>If this isn't a strawman argument then I don't know what is.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="hydro11" data-cid="493125" data-time="1432882784">
<div>
<p>You haven't actually provided any evidence of the other sort of corruption. <strong>You also don't provide any sources. You come up with 1.2 billion dollars from somewhere but the New York Times says both Obama and Romney spent less than that in the last election.</strong> What is this bigger bribery we are falling over every day?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>If this isn't a strawman argument then I don't know what is.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Fair question Hydro......</p>
<p> </p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/jun/04/how-money-runs-our-politics/'>http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/jun/04/how-money-runs-our-politics/</a></p>
<p>
This can probably explain the loophole used in the tax code to channel "dark money" donations best of all....most other articles on the matter is based on party political hype and distorts the fact that both sides are equally guilty.....well worth the read in understanding the landmark Citizens United court case and verdict which has changed US politics forever.......with worldwide resultant implications.......<br>
In fact you are wasting your time trying to follow the US election campaigns without a good understanding of all this......follow the money.<br>
It looks like the $1.2 billion bar is going to be smashed to bits in 2016.....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>That only answers some of your questions......the rest you will have to figure out for yourself :yes:</p> -
Maybe the way NTA talks about the judiciary and Richies influence, the IRB will be next.
-
-
So I guess NZ won't be holding anymore age group tournaments...the fact we've had 3 and Aus 0...
-
Looks like the right kind of questions are now starting to emerge about the $46 million Aus spent on their bid....<br>
Allegations on morning TV that half of that was paid as bribes to corrupt officials to try and secure the bid.....will have to see if it sticks with any evidence.....any bets?
