Brumbies vs Blues
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@Dice It would have been nice to have Lemalu around as he was brilliant in that area for Auckland and funnily enough we also struggled at M10 Cup level when he wasn't there (the Counties game in particular). I feel it's time to move GCT on altogether as well. He gives it plenty around the field but he lacks size at this level and is ineffective in the tight. If Scrafton wasn't made of glass then he would have seen a lot more gametime over the years and his position in the side wouldn't be in question.
Oh well, probably another loss coming up next week but at least we'll see some free flowing rugby unlike last night's dross.
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@nzzp just watched last nights game, that’s an hour that I will never get back..about 10 minutes in reset scrums, thank god for my sky..
Agree with much of your coms..
I have always thought Otere Black is no more than a journeyman first five, even as up and down as Ihaia West could be, at least he had X factor..
Black came north with a reputation as a consistent goal kicker, but he’s not even showing me that he will win games consistently with his kicking, and the 2 offside penalties were unforgivable, basically piggy backed the Brumbies up the field to in a position to where they were able to sustain a long period of pressure and repeated infringements by the Blues.
I just wonder if they would be better off sticking with Plummer to see if the young guy can cut the mustard..give the young pairing of Nock and Plummer an opportunity as a combo..
Look at what the Highlanders have done with Josh Ioane admittedly the injury to Banks has helped, but to be fair Ioane has taken his opportunities and kept Gatland well and truly out of the frame..he’s got real X factor and more importantly..pace and having seen him knock over clutch kicks in short lived career..temperament..!A couple of other things, just making good practical decisions appears to be foreign practice to this group wether it’s in and around exit strategies ,defending multiple phases without conceding penalties..
The message does not seem to get through and unfortunately it’s like something out of repetitive dream..
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@Rocky-Rockbottom Money in the bank for me then. Bring it on.
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@nzzp said in Brumbies vs Blues:
Scrum was a real concern. Seeing KT getting manhandled was unusual. Really not sure why - think loosies had a lot to do with it. Scrum's been weird - dominant against Chiefs and Landers (except for one PT vs landers), but absolutely smoked last night.
The Bumbies don't have a bad scrum. They've got two class props and their forward pack like to do the hard, grafting work. You can be assured they're all pushing.
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@Steven-Harris said in Brumbies vs Blues:
Black came north with a reputation as a consistent goal kicker, but he’s not even showing me that he will win games consistently with his kicking, and the 2 offside penalties were unforgivable, basically piggy backed the Brumbies up the field to in a position to where they were able to sustain a long period of pressure and repeated infringements by the Blues.
Yes, it was that period of play that put the Blues under tremendous pressure and contributed in a massive way the attitude of the referee who only had eyes for the defending team.
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Brumbies are very one dimensional... but I disagree it made for a boring game. It was tight and the result could have gone either way.
Enjoyed the contrast of styles and the contest.
Nock was good for the blues, has an awesome box kick. I love watching Tom Robinson play
Akira’s season starting to look a bit like last year, he was unstoppable for the first half of the comp and faded towards the end.
Karl T looks fatter than last year, i thought the opposite was supposed to happen.
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@SammyC said in Brumbies vs Blues:
Karl T looks fatter than last year, i thought the opposite was supposed to happen.
I wonder what his numbers are, because he doesn't look fit.
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@Steven-Harris said in Brumbies vs Blues:
I just wonder if they would be better off sticking with Plummer to see if the young guy can cut the mustard..give the young pairing of Nock and Plummer an opportunity as a combo..
Look at what the Highlanders have done with Josh Ioane admittedly the injury to Banks has helped, but to be fair Ioane has taken his opportunities and kept Gatland well and truly out of the frame..he’s got real X factor and more importantly..pace and having seen him knock over clutch kicks in short lived career..temperament..!I would start Plummer but it's worth noting how early in his career it is. He's the only 20yr old flyhalf in the NZ SR squads.
For instance, some other youngish 10's are a few years older - Ioane is 23, Cameron is 22.I fully expect some silly errors with a 10 that green. His kicking from hand lacks distance and his placement isn't consistent enough yet.
However he is a much better passer, plays flatter, takes the ball to the line and is considerably better defender than Black. If his goal kicking is back where it was 12months ago he'll be an upgrade.I suspect if he does start it will be with his provincial halfback
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@SammyC Agree. Where was Akira? He protects rucks but rarely takes up the ball. Needs to be bench for a week until he decides he wants to play. Not even close to being an AB. Seems like he is going backwards
When the Blues are playing it in the forwards they are pretty good.
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@Duluth said in Brumbies vs Blues:
I would start Plummer but it's worth noting how early in his career it is. He's the only 20 year old flyhalf in any of the NZ SR squads.
For instance, some other youngish 10's are a few years older - Ioane is 23, Cameron is 22.I fully expect some silly errors with a 10 that green. His kicking from hand lacks distance and his placement isn't consistent enough yet.
However he is a much better passer, plays flatter, takes the ball to the line and is considerably better defender than Black. If his goal kicking is back where it was 12months ago he'll be an upgrade.I suspect if he does start it will be with his provincial halfback
100% on board with Plummer.
20 isn't young. He will be 21 in June and Cruden, Mehrtens, Spencer, Carter and Barrett all won their first test caps at 21. Slade was 22. Obviously the game evolves but it's hardly insane to hand the reigns of a Super Franchise to a kid of that age. Mistakes will be made but if he is worth persevering with you will see flashes of brilliance early.
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@SammyC said in Brumbies vs Blues:
Brumbies are very one dimensional... but I disagree it made for a boring game. It was tight and the result could have gone either way.
Enjoyed the contrast of styles and the contest.
Nock was good for the blues, has an awesome box kick. I love watching Tom Robinson play
Akira’s season starting to look a bit like last year, he was unstoppable for the first half of the comp and faded towards the end.
Karl T looks fatter than last year, i thought the opposite was supposed to happen.
I didn't see this match, but Akira has played big minutes and tends to carry his team a bit which takes its toll. I am worried the same will happen to Ardie who is carrying the Canes back on his lonesome at the moment - we need him firing later in the year.
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@SammyC said in Brumbies vs Blues:
Akira’s season starting to look a bit like last year, he was unstoppable for the first half of the comp and faded towards the end.
While I'm not sure that is 100% true, but as already been mentioned by @No-Quarter, he gets constantly worked at the Blues, while all his "competitors" in other squads have rests at various times of the competition.
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@Duluth said in Brumbies vs Blues:
@rotated said in Brumbies vs Blues:
20 isn't young
20 isn't too young, but it is young
I was just pointing out he is 2-3 years earlier in his development than any of the other new, young, emerging tens
It's a fair point Sopoaga and Mounga blossomed slighlty later and were both servicable and title winning 10s. Perhaps the game is moving more in that direction. But in general expecting first fives to develop after their very early 20's has been a fool's errand.
That said the Blues flushed Anscombe at 21 so perhaps give Plummer the remainder of the season and make a call on his future then?
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@rotated Sopoaga and Black made their SR debut at 20, just like Plummer. BB made his debut as a WTG member as an injury replacement at the age of 19. Mo'unga and Cruden made their SR debut at 21.
By the way, the age at which a player (first five or not) develops as a successful SR player doesn't only depend on whether a player is an early developer or a late blossomer, but also who is in the queue ahead of him. Plummer hasn't had star players blocking his way. Black, as a WTG member, was in the queue behind BB (and probably also behind James Marshall and Jason Woodward); BB in his WTG year was sitting behind Cruden (not a star yet at the time); Cruden in his first year was competing with Willy Ripia (never been a star); and Sopoaga's first year was behind Slade (who was already capped, but injured). Mo'unga was in the queue behind Carter, Slade, Taylor (during his year in the WTG).
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@No-Quarter Akira & Tom Robinson have played 776 and 775 mins respectively (Nanai on 800 only blues player ahead)
Next forward is Parsons at 596, then GCT and PT on 566 & 534 respectively...rest under 500.
If Nock gets the chance to start again, he needs to back it up, consistency been a big issue for him
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@taniwharugby said in Brumbies vs Blues:
@No-Quarter Akira & Tom Robinson have played 776 and 775 mins respectively (Nanai on 800 only blues player ahead)
Next forward is Parsons at 596, then GCT and PT on 566 & 534 respectively...rest under 500.
If Nock gets the chance to start again, he needs to back it up, consistency been a big issue for him
And both Robinson and Akira are starting to play like it. Being played into the ground a bit, which is doing neither the team or the players any favours.
Not sure why either, you could have Dalton spelling Robinson (or vice versa), and I really liked Sotutu for Auckland, surely it's worth trying him at some point as well?
Both Robinson and Akira are very busy players, and get through a mountain of work, I can't see how playing them so much will work over a full season.
