Julian Assange arrested
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Julian Assange arrested:
@jegga said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Salacious-Crumb said in Julian Assange arrested:
I’m of two minds. On the one hand, he needs to be released. He’s doing what any indpendent news organization would have done. On the other hand, I wished that he confronted these charges head-on in a court of law years ago. He’s been a political prisoner for years, he’s already been sentenced and served time.
Political prisoner? Thats a stretch , he was wanted on two charges of rape.
Sentenced and served time? That was his choice , he jumped bail to avoid trial.
What part of “I wished that he confronted these charges head-on in a court of law years ago” don’t you understand?
Dial back that outrage some.
The part where you said he’s a political prisoner and sentenced and served time are the ones I found hard to understand.
I agree with you he should have sorted it out years ago , to claim the the other things you did didn’t outrage me it made me wonder what you were talking about .
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Yeah, well I can be reliably foolish and assume that his seeking and aquiring asylum at the Ecudorian embassy for years had something to do with politics, but it’s just one persons’ viewpoint, marginal though it clearly is.
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I don't know much about Assange. I get the rape charges thing, ( very similar to Polanski ) but my simpleton view on leaking classified info superficially suggests 2 things:
Were they factually true?
If so dangerous to modern society, why not "locked up" better?I know I'm wrong but is he such a threat to nations that he's the beast he's portrayed as.
Really keen to be corrected by youse fullas
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@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
I don't know much about Assange. I get the rape charges thing, ( very similar to Polanski ) but my simpleton view on leaking classified info superficially suggests 2 things:
Were they factually true?
If so dangerous to modern society, why not "locked up" better?I know I'm wrong but is he such a threat to nations that he's the beast he's portrayed as.
Really keen to be corrected by youse fullas
Depends on who you ask , he had to be talked out of releasing the names of Iraqi and Afghanistani interpreters helping IS forces which is effectively a death sentence, had no qualms about doing the same to ICE staff though
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@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
If so dangerous to modern society, why not "locked up" better?
Assume your taking about the classified info being released?
It doesn't follow that just because something isn't as secure as it could be, you can simply take it. It's called theft. Not much different from saying it's OK to nick a car because the keys were in the ignition
Whether sensitive information is true or not is irrelevant. It is classified for a reason and it isn't up to Assange to decide what should and shouldn't be released. Unless you believe a self-appointed Assange has the right to decide the release of names and addresses of teenage rape victims, bank accounts of judges and names and addresses of security personnel.
Finally, Assange isn't being charged for publishing the info. He is accused of hacking computer systems which is a completely separate, though related, thing.
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@Victor-Meldrew nice one thanks. Got confused as some painted him as an independent journalist.
Apparently the sex charges were dropped in 2017. Some commentators with some credibility think he's performed some useful role in calling out government behaviour. "Hero" seems a bit of a stretch though
Again, I don't know enough
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@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
Apparently the sex charges were dropped in 2017.
Not quite.... The complainants have requested they be reinstated so he can stand trial. They were put on hold as Assange jumped bail to avoid facing questioning in Sweden (as required under Swedish law).
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@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Victor-Meldrew nice one thanks. Got confused as some painted him as an independent journalist.
Apparently the sex charges were dropped in 2017. Some commentators with some credibility think he's performed some useful role in calling out government behaviour. "Hero" seems a bit of a stretch though
Again, I don't know enough
Good video, I now need to see another with the other point of view. Any recommendations anyone?
Should it be a crime to publicly expose your own governments crimes?
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@Rembrandt said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Victor-Meldrew nice one thanks. Got confused as some painted him as an independent journalist.
Apparently the sex charges were dropped in 2017. Some commentators with some credibility think he's performed some useful role in calling out government behaviour. "Hero" seems a bit of a stretch though
Again, I don't know enough
Good video, I now need to see another with the other point of view. Any recommendations anyone?
Should it be a crime to publicly expose your own governments crimes?
I think history decides whether its a crime or a public service eventually. It's like was David Ben Gurion a terrorist or a freedom fighter? History says the latter but at the time it was viewed differently.
With Assange, I just don't know. At first I sort of applauded him for some of the stuff he was exposing, but more and more I view his exposes as being at the very least dangerous but could easily be viewed as much worse.(ie releasing the names of the interpreters). What is the plus point of doing something like that? What does he want to achieve?
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@Catogrande Yeah I definitely don't know enough to make a firm opinion on him.
Is the non-redacting claim an accepted fact or is it just an opinion that is going out there? A high powered politician embarrassed by what this guy has revealed would probably want to push that narrative in order to justify action against him.
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@Rembrandt I've honestly no idea mate. This (Assange and Wikileaks) is an area that really seems to polarise opinions and I'm not sure I trust much of what I hear in regard to the what is justifiable and what is not.
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@Catogrande yep, bloody hard to separate fact from bs. Wikileaks has certainly proven that with authorities..whether its for the best I have no idea.
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@Rembrandt said in Julian Assange arrested:
Is the non-redacting claim an accepted fact or is it just an opinion that is going out there?
Appears to be fact.
" WikiLeaks has published the sensitive personal data of hundreds of ordinary people, including sick children, rape victims and people with mental health problems, an investigation has revealed..
The Saudi diplomatic cables alone hold at least 124 medical files, according to a sample analyzed by the Associated Press. Some described patients with psychiatric conditions, seriously ill children or refugees.
“This has nothing to do with politics or corruption,” said Dr Nayef al-Fayez, a consultant in the Jordanian capital of Amman who confirmed that a brain cancer patient of his was among those whose details were published to the web."
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@Rembrandt said in Julian Assange arrested:
Should it be a crime to publicly expose your own governments crimes?
Wouldn't it depend if you spotted illegal activity and went thru established, independent confidential, whistle-blowing procedures (which exist in the police, armed forces and security services, In the UK you can go to your MP) first?
If that didn't work, you'd have some defence if you then went to the press.
Not sure that Chelsea Manning, Assange & Snowden did that - they seemed to just spray out all the stuff with little thought for the consequences
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@Catogrande said in Julian Assange arrested:
What is the plus point of doing something like that? What does he want to achieve?
Self gratification & beatification probably
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@Rembrandt said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Victor-Meldrew nice one thanks. Got confused as some painted him as an independent journalist.
Apparently the sex charges were dropped in 2017. Some commentators with some credibility think he's performed some useful role in calling out government behaviour. "Hero" seems a bit of a stretch though
Again, I don't know enough
Good video, I now need to see another with the other point of view. Any recommendations anyone?
Should it be a crime to publicly expose your own governments crimes?
It’s not actually that good of a video , there’s been a lot of misinformation about his sex crimes spread by his supporters.
First up , the charges were dropped? It’s a bit hard to prosecute someone who’s holed up in an embassy in another country. They have until 2020 before they have to drop them completely.People downplay one of the charges as “ surprise sex” or to put it another way sec without consent or to put it another way rape . Neither woman consented to sex without a condom which I’ve seen scoffed at as not rape . It’s actually a crime in NZ too.
Then there’s the prosecutors , the first didn’t pursue the charges the second decided there was enough to go to trial . The second prosecutor Marianne Ny has been subject to a smear campaign ever since online and apparently only laid charges at the behest if the US govt . There’s no proof of that , hence my parallels with Russiagate , Assanges supporters “ know “ this is true so they keep saying it .
One of his victims lives in hiding , her address appeared online and she is unable to work . Not surprisingly she still wants him to face his charges in court .
This is a separate issue from his hacking but it’s disappointing to see the likes of Tim Pool and Sargon downplaying what an utter creep Assange is .
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Rembrandt said in Julian Assange arrested:
Is the non-redacting claim an accepted fact or is it just an opinion that is going out there?
Appears to be fact.
" WikiLeaks has published the sensitive personal data of hundreds of ordinary people, including sick children, rape victims and people with mental health problems, an investigation has revealed..
The Saudi diplomatic cables alone hold at least 124 medical files, according to a sample analyzed by the Associated Press. Some described patients with psychiatric conditions, seriously ill children or refugees.
“This has nothing to do with politics or corruption,” said Dr Nayef al-Fayez, a consultant in the Jordanian capital of Amman who confirmed that a brain cancer patient of his was among those whose details were published to the web."
Morgan Tsvangiais communications with the state department were leaked by Wikileaks through the Guardian which got him a beating by Mugabes goons .