Black Caps v India
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@canefan said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.
The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.
I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.
I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.
Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.
I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say
i think what gets overlooked is Dhoni between the wickets, he's way quicker than a solidly-built 37 year old has any reason to be. Watch Tuesday night's chase for an example of ones turned in to twos that turned a tricky chase into a pretty easy one despite the boundaries not flowing.
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@canefan said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.
The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.
I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.
I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.
Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.
I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say
Yeah apples and oranges. A real mystery how someone so brilliant at ODIs was such a mediocre test batsman.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.
The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.
go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.
Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever
That's a very bold claim. I presume we're talking overall in all three forms?
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.
The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.
go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.
Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever
That's a very bold claim. I presume we're talking overall in all three forms?
presume whatever you want.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.
The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.
go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.
Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever
That's a very bold claim. I presume we're talking overall in all three forms?
presume whatever you want.
Yeah I did.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.
The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.
go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.
Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever
That's a very bold claim. I presume we're talking overall in all three forms?
In the shorter forms without a doubt. The tests will always have Bradman as the massive outlier. Ignoring him, Kholi started slow in tests but his average has been steadily climbing, wouldn't be surprised to see it touching 60 by the end of his career. Kane may give him a run for his money if he can get enough games under his belt, that man is built for test cricket.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.
The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.
go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.
Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever
That's a very bold claim. I presume we're talking overall in all three forms?
In the shorter forms without a doubt. The tests will always have Bradman as the massive outlier. Ignoring him, Kholi started slow in tests but his average has been steadily climbing, wouldn't be surprised to see it touching 60 by the end of his career. Kane may give him a run for his money if he can get enough games under his belt, that man is built for test cricket.
Will be interesting to see how Steve Smith goes when he comes back. Cheating fuck he may be but that test record is rather decent.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@canefan said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.
The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.
I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.
I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.
Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.
I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say
Yeah apples and oranges. A real mystery how someone so brilliant at ODIs was such a mediocre test batsman.
Martin Guptill? Ah 9 minutes too slow...
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@canefan said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.
The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.
I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.
I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.
Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.
I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say
i think what gets overlooked is Dhoni between the wickets, he's way quicker than a solidly-built 37 year old has any reason to be. Watch Tuesday night's chase for an example of ones turned in to twos that turned a tricky chase into a pretty easy one despite the boundaries not flowing.
He's a strange one, though. He's got a tendency to fuck around until he's the only person who can win it for them - and if he gets out they're sunk. I thought he helped get Kohli out the other night with a lack of urgency - and in the first game he dabbed around getting something like 6 runs off 35 balls.
If his powers have waned at all, then this could be an achilles heel for the Indians.
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@canefan said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.
The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.
I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.
I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.
Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.
I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say
i think what gets overlooked is Dhoni between the wickets, he's way quicker than a solidly-built 37 year old has any reason to be. Watch Tuesday night's chase for an example of ones turned in to twos that turned a tricky chase into a pretty easy one despite the boundaries not flowing.
He's a strange one, though. He's got a tendency to fuck around until he's the only person who can win it for them - and if he gets out they're sunk. I thought he helped get Kohli out the other night with a lack of urgency - and in the first game he dabbed around getting something like 6 runs off 35 balls.
If his powers have waned at all, then this could be an achilles heel for the Indians.
the commentators called it "likes to take it deep" hurr hurr
Gets it done so often it's hard to rag on him too much. Agree i reckon he got Kohli out though, MS was battling at that point.
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@mariner4life that was such a masterful chase. So calm. And it worked. Even the last bat knew the script.
Watching this (and the ABs) live your reminded how fucken good they are in the flesh. TV casts a production type performance for the viewer, viewing angles are pretty standard so its easy to overlook the significance of a few moments or the physics of the skill execution.
They made it look like chasing 250, and most of the way I thought that Oz would win. Nup. Quality team, hope we do fucken well against them
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Must say this upcoming series has me nervously excited or excitedly nervous.
It's a great indicator of how good we actually are, or how we're tracking.
Can't go past hoping we do well, rather than a full swagger of " we've got this ". Only ask for a live 5th game, that'd be good.
Sensed a bit of fatigue in Kohli last game and maybe a big factor for us might be the tiredness after an historical trip to oz, tempered with what Indian batsmen could do on our wickets, if 3 batting performances from an average Sri Lanka was any guide.
Really dont know how it'll pan out but i suspect we'll have to be at the top of our game
Should be bloody interesting.
C'mon lads! Let's see whatcha got
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@Siam said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 bless you
3 quick reasons backing the ordinary bowling line up appraisal?
@Siam said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 bless you
3 quick reasons backing the ordinary bowling line up appraisal?
It's obvious he didn't watch a minute of their Australian tour.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
Indians will have a freakishly strong batting lineup....nothing new.
....they'll also have an ordinary bowling line up....nothing new.
Exploit the latter as best you can BCs.
Those bowlers could run through NZ I fear. They are good quality. India are in the top 2 teams in every format, they are a seriously good side now. And they have the money and the population; they seem to have started to put together some pathways to generate decent players. Watch out the rest of the world, I think India could easily become a dominant force in world cricket indefinitely.
Also, they produced Sehwag. What a farking genius with the bat, someone I made time to watch.
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India traditionally were strong at home and pussies on the road. Great stroke players - the occasional obdurate opening batsman, a truck load of quality spinners and once in a generation a genuinely world class quickie.
All of the above made them a very tough proposition at home and to a slightly lesser extent in the sub-continent.
Away from hone - I dunno what it was, the bland food, miserable weather, away from their families, different players and conditions but they used to be a totally different proposition. In the immortal words of Corporal Jones "they didn't like it up 'em" and frequently folded often tanking it.
All this has changed. I think IPL has had a lot to do with this. Despite having no affection for the game I do concede that the travelling T/20 global circuit seems to have emboldened Indian players. Whatever their mental reservations about playing overseas they have overcome them. Plus pitches in India are more encouraging to seamers than in the past. Throw in the vast amount of money/power BCCI wields and voila, as @nzzp writes - they seem to be on the verge of producing a dynasty.
It's akin in some respects to the rise of "plucky" Ireland in rugby to being a (for now) world power, but it seems certain to be more sustained. I have no problem with this on the cricketing front. India are and almost always have been an entertaining bunch. Following a BC's tour to India is on my bucket list. However I have massive reservations about the fluffybunnies at BCCI controlling world cricket
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps v India:
However I have massive reservations about the fluffybunnies at BCCI controlling world cricket
Yep, potentially either corrupt, or engaging in 'sharp practice'. BUT they generate 70% of revenue in world cricket. Our domestic game only exists because India inject so much money when they tour here. It's remarkable.
BCCI have an operating income of $1.4B USD (just over $2B NZD). It's an insane amount of money - and that's why I think they are so different to Ireland in your example above. Ireland have a good team, with a good coach, but I can't see them forming a dynasty. India, with that kind of money and a billion people should start churning out high quality cricketers. Once they start, they won't stop -- and arguably they are starting to get their systems in place to do this. England and Australia hate it, because they dominated world cricket for so long.
Frankly, all the administrators are muppets, so I'm not too fussed whether it's an indian, australian or english foot on the throat of NZ cricket :). Financially, we're just a minnow that punches above our weight on the cricket field.
