Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@hydro11 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Santner should not be automatically in the test team. He is a little better with the bat and a a little better with the ball than MMarsh (but only a little).
So you're saying he'd be locked in for the Australian team?
And MN5 is agreeing!
Obviously not. Australia wouldn't play two spinners at home. They need a fast bowling all rounder as they already have a very good spinner.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Cyclops said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Has Neesham sorted his bowling action during his sabbatical? He could be the answer here. He's good enough to bat 6 in tests and with his action sorted could be a genuine all-rounder.
The selectors seem to think he's in with a shot, as they have picked him for the ODIs. I heard an interview with the convenor, and he said Neesham's bowling had improved greatly, as had Doug Bracewell's batting, so both are moving in the right direction. CDG is getting a rest because he's basically in and they need to pick a backup, from the sounds of it.
If this is as true as they claim and have done for fucken years then Bradmans descendents better get ready to have someone usurp the title off him.
Sadly, both of them have probably left their runs a bit late... Being behind CDG in the pecking order suggests a low ceiling...
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Cyclops said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Has Neesham sorted his bowling action during his sabbatical? He could be the answer here. He's good enough to bat 6 in tests and with his action sorted could be a genuine all-rounder.
The selectors seem to think he's in with a shot, as they have picked him for the ODIs. I heard an interview with the convenor, and he said Neesham's bowling had improved greatly, as had Doug Bracewell's batting, so both are moving in the right direction. CDG is getting a rest because he's basically in and they need to pick a backup, from the sounds of it.
If this is as true as they claim and have done for fucken years then Bradmans descendents better get ready to have someone usurp the title off him.
Well Dougie averaged 23 in the Ford Trophy, with a high score of 42 - so I'm guessing Don's grandkids haven't lost complete control of their bowels.
Neesham did pretty well though - averaged 63 with two hundreds and three fifties plus 13 wickets @ 32.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@hydro11 Why not?
Lyon has the most wickets in this series - and Mitch was just there to roll his arm over while the quicks had a rest.
What they really need is a number 6!
CDG is a better batsman that Santner, so you would play him.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@hydro11 Why not?
Lyon has the most wickets in this series - and Mitch was just there to roll his arm over while the quicks had a rest.
What they really need is a number 6!
@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@hydro11 Why not?
Lyon has the most wickets in this series - and Mitch was just there to roll his arm over while the quicks had a rest.
What they really need is a number 6!
What they really need is a number 1-6
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had we won the first test, as we really should have, we would have been #2.
which is about right i reckon, I'm a little giddy at what this unit has achieved. Imagine if we actually played test cricket?
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@mariner4life said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
had we won the first test, as we really should have, we would have been #2.
which is about right i reckon, I'm a little giddy at what this unit has achieved. Imagine if we actually played test cricket?
I know ranking points are corrected for games played but it was still depressing to see that the teams ranked above us all have played almost twice as many games in the ranking period.
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@Cyclops said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mariner4life said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
had we won the first test, as we really should have, we would have been #2.
which is about right i reckon, I'm a little giddy at what this unit has achieved. Imagine if we actually played test cricket?
I know ranking points are corrected for games played but it was still depressing to see that the teams ranked above us all have played almost twice as many games in the ranking period.
yep. same every year. Despite our achievements, we are not a TV ratings pull, so we don't get tours. Simple.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
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@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
Statsguru says he has missed 9 tests of the 90 since his debut, with two of those being the SA tour immediately after after the captaincy.
Easily could have nabbed a few caps a season prior to his debut, but they rightly (for once) held off blooding a promising batsman too early him while persisting with Sinclair, How, Marshall etc.
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@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
I think the respective careers of Alasdair Cook and Ross Taylor indicate where NZ are very nicely. Same age, pretty much the same ability yet Cook managed 161 tests while Rossco is 90 and counting..
It's not as though Taylor has been twiddling his thumbs for the reminder of that time - we are usually playing ODIs where he will hopefully retire with the most ODI centuries by a non sub-continental player outside Ponting.
Taylor (hopefully, probably) will play another 4 years - at least in a single format. Cook punted ODIs and T20 early to focus on test cricket but ultimately it ate him alive psychologically and he burnt out. For a guy like Taylor playing different formats must help massively because whenever his form dips too much in one format he is onto another format and is able to find his way into form again. In a weird way losing the captaincy early may have prolonged his career too.
Agree with all of this and great post but how many tests has Taylor missed in his career ( I'm assuming the odd one for injury ? )
Statsguru says he has missed 9 tests of the 90 since his debut, with two of those being the SA tour immediately after after the captaincy.
Easily could have nabbed a few caps a season prior to his debut, but they rightly (for once) held off blooding a promising batsman too early him while persisting with Sinclair, How, Marshall etc.
Cool so my point of him missing fuck all is justified.
Geez old mate Sinclair had a weird test career.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
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@Gunner said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
Short answer. No.
I do remember Craig McMillan sneaking his over 40 and being immensely proud but then it went down late in his career.
Having four over 40 in one team is ridiculously good. We don't quite have the Hadlee/Bond spearhead but the Boult/Southee/Wagner trio is very likely our best ever.
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It's a good team but it's a team where we have to win now. Taylor and Watling probably have two years before their form starts to decline. Southee and Boult are 30/29. Will they be the same in three years? There are question marks about who our best spinner should be, question marks about the all rounder and pressure could be on Raval if there are a few more failures. So you can be pessimistic about the future too. Our next batsman in is probably still Brownlie, our next quick, Henry, has a poor test record to this point.
If we are going to do well at a World Cup again it probably has to be this year. 2023 will be India and the teams from that part of the world will be tough to beat. We need the team to deliver now because we don't get a team as good as this often enough to waste it.
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@Gunner said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Doing some drunken googling......Henry Nicholls.....test average 43.54 !!!!!
Holy shit son.....save some pussy for the rest of the boys. Outstanding.
I was doing the same the other day.
Have we ever had a better top 6 in terms of collective averages?Raval 34.69
Latham 41.59
Williamson 51.44
Taylor 45.93
Nicholls 43.54
Watling 37.74In the bad old days we’d be doing well if we had just one averaging in the 40’s and the rest mid to low 30’s plodders.
Now we’ve got three of them, plus one in the neverland of the 50’s.Unreal!
The closest we got was through the 80s, with Turner then Crowe coinciding with JF Reid then Jones, so two above 44 with another two above 37 for some of it (Wright for all of it and Coney until he retired in 1987).
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