Blues 2019
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@kirwan said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@rotated said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@kirwan said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@rotated said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
Wasn't a massive fan of MacDonald taking over from Tana the last time but I'll give this a chance...
But full credit for the Blues making a move. Tana has been an improvement on SJK and Lam but still ultimately was seemed outmatched and outclassed by other NZ franchise coaches. Still ultimately I would like to see a non-ex-AB coach though after now four on the trot.
In what way was Tana an improvement? He has a worse record than both those coaches, selected terrible squads and presided over some of the worst results in our history. 60fucking points conceded on Eden Park FFS.
To begin with Umaga has a better record than SJK just on pure numbers but it's much of a muchness and both have records between 40-46% as does Lam. They would rank as the three of the four worst coaches of NZ franchises in the 2010s - the argument would just be about order.
Kirwan is the easier one, under his tenure the Blues felt like the Melbourne Rebels. Where to start? The guy fundamentally didn't understand Super Rugby. Genuinely thought Benji Marshall would be able to play 10 at Super level? Personally exiled three future All Blacks and one Welsh international? Mick Byrne as an assistant coach? Captain Ali Williams? This year has proved yet again it must be bloody difficult to have Graham Henry full time on your staff and not be good. SJK achieved this.
Lam is a more debatable one. There were good times with Lam and for a period between 2010-11 I was of the opinion that with a quality 10 the Blues were title contenders. Of course, the solutions Lam came up with were underwhelming and bewildering to say the least. But it is fair to say in 2011 they played at a level that hasn't been reached under Umaga.
Going against him, Lam went 4-12 in 2012 with the best Blues squad since 2003. Allowed things to become so bad at the end that Woodcock felt compelled to leave. Lashing out at anonymous Blues fans for racist comments on talkback that were never located wasn't a high point. His selections were pretty odd at times, he had very little patience for some and blind loyalty to chaps like Brett. Lachie Munro marking up against Ioane on the wing for a semi-final?
Perhaps as a whole Lam was better than Umaga, but the 2012 season immediately preceding Kirwan was the worst of the bunch and the ripple effects from his tenure are still being felt today.
Must be a sweet paycheck. I wouldn't be surprised in a year if he just quietly moves on to stink up some other joint.
I can't really read between the lines here? Are you happy that Umaga is no longer head coach?.........
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@duluth is def an option, but guess it all depends on how much time SBW and Nonu get (either not being broken or in SBW, not being rested)
Gibson probably most likely, just hope he doesnt break again, so expect co-captains?
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@taniwharugby said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@duluth is def an option, but guess it all depends on how much time SBW and Nonu get (either not being broken or in SBW, not being rested)
Gibson probably most likely, just hope he doesnt break again, so expect co-captains?
Yeah a co-captain would make sense given Gibsons injury history.
I like Gibson based on the comments of the Auckland players in the media. Apparently he was blunt with team mates and enforced standards.
As for TJ I was mostly joking. However he is one of the players that MacDoanld should look to build the team around over the next few years - TJ, Papali'i, Goodhue, Ioanes, Plummer etc
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@taniwharugby said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
Does Papali'i have leadership pedigree?
Yes.
My view of Kirwan and Tana is they were both pretty poor and at a fairly similar level (well below Lam). Lam had one shocking season where he didnt have enough coaching support.
Tana had a woeful record vs NZ teams but Kirwan had a woeful away record. At least Kirwan was smart enough to bring in Henry and Byrne early on whereas Umaga's coaching assistants have been a big fail. On the other hand I appreciate that Tana generally avoided going after officials after losses whereas Kirwan came across as a whinger, meanwhile he picked Ali Williams as captain and wondered why his team's discipline was shit.
I don't mind Tana staying on in a defensive portfolio. Just because he didn't work as head coach doesn't mean he cant be good as an assistant coach (e.g. Nick White as head coach vs Nick White as a scrum coach). If they think Tana is the best coach they can have as the defensive coach then good - I'd rather he be there than just getting rid of him to replace him with a lesser defensive coach (cutting your nose off to spite your face).
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There is going to be a TSF meltdown when Collins is named captain.
Coventry was happy to have Parsons as his NH captain, while he was Umaga's captain too. So MacDonald will need to make the decision as the head coach. Why not Ofa as one of the co-captains?
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@kirwan said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
Probably too early for Dalton, maybe Akira? Seems very well respected by the players, is a certain pick
if died in the wool Crusader Leon MacDonald picks Akira as captain...
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@mariner4life said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@kirwan said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
Probably too early for Dalton, maybe Akira? Seems very well respected by the players, is a certain pick
if died in the wool Crusader Leon MacDonald picks Akira as captain...
Died in the wool Crusader has already been on the phone to his good mate Hammer, for tips about instilling discipline.
"You've got to wield the axe, Rangi - I just started at A for Andrew! Who's going to worry about the 54th best player in NZ!"
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@chris-b said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@mariner4life said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@kirwan said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
Probably too early for Dalton, maybe Akira? Seems very well respected by the players, is a certain pick
if died in the wool Crusader Leon MacDonald picks Akira as captain...
Died in the wool Crusader has already been on the phone to his good mate Hammer, for tips about instilling discipline.
"You've got to wield the axe, Rangi - I just started at A for Andrew! Who's going to worry about the 54th best player in NZ!"
yes, yes, i know. It sounds bad. you will get fired. But the next dude will win the comp. and all because of you. honest!
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@mariner4life That's still Hammer talking...right?
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@chris-b said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@kirwan Although, in fairness, I think you also have to take into account that the other NZ franchises have become progressively stronger.
Since 2012 all of them have won titles and none of them have fallen off a cliff subsequently.
Isn't that just making my point that the other countries teams have gotten weaker? In a weaker competition, NZ teams winning more titles can mean that we stayed the same strength.
There has been fluctuation between which is the stronger NZ team, but that's always happened as well.
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@kirwan Not really. In the past you could usually rely on at least one of the Highlanders, Chiefs or Canes to be basket cases and an easy victory.
Now all those teams are good and NZ conference games are like test matches. Anyone who is a bit off the pace gets creamed and unfortunately for the Blues that has been them.
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@bovidae I wouldn't mind having Ofa as captain personally. Pat Tuipulotu has done it for Auckland as well so he might be in the mix. I would like for Gibson to be captain but we know he'll only play 6 games max so no point giving it to him.
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This is gold
Question 3 for those who love to get up in arms over the obvious
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/quizzes/daily-quizzes/22562804/Afternoon-trivia-quiz-November-16
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12/15, fucking aced that shit.
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@no-quarter said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
12/15, fucking aced that shit.
So you didn't select Waikato Chiefs or Otago Highlanders? You selected the Auckland Blues?
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@hooroo said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@no-quarter said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
12/15, fucking aced that shit.
So you didn't select Waikato Chiefs or Otago Highlanders? You selected the Auckland Blues?
Took a wild stab in the dark and managed to get it right. Lucky.
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@no-quarter said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@hooroo said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
@no-quarter said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):
12/15, fucking aced that shit.
So you didn't select Waikato Chiefs or Otago Highlanders? You selected the Auckland Blues?
Took a wild stab in the dark and managed to get it right. Lucky.
My dig is that they are still labelling these teams with the NPC provincial bias (which is OK with me but others will tanty)
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@no-quarter 14/15 here...got the chick in Q14 wrong, guessed 15.
@Hooroo it's stuff, factual correctness is optional.
Would be an interesting dynamic going from #1 to #2 or more like #2= with others, although the right people involved I guess it shouldnt matter.
Wayne SMith managed to deal with it.
