Build A Waterfront Stadium
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@jegga I can't envisage what the hell you would put in a pre-feasibility study that could possibly warrant paying that much money. I can't actually picture how you could pad the report out enough to convince Phil to write the cheque.
It seems like about 10-times the maximum amount that should have been contemplated!
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@chris-b said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@nzzp They may have stuffed it up a bit...but, did they commission a cake decorator to build the plant?
We didn't but our CCO AT managed to do this:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11805571 -
@Chris-B hookers and coke don’t pay for themselves you know.
@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
$932000 for a report . A quick question for you Jafas , does your rates bill come with a tube of lube?
Fun facts about paying rates in Auckland
- No lube
- Not even a reach around
- Our mayor has more than 6 spin doctors (well, the last one did)
- Revenue is $4.5B. It feels like most of this comes from my house
despite all of this, I suspect we still have lower rates than Kaipara and Mangawhai. They really managed to stuff up their sewerage system in a big way.
You must be oh so stoked about this then , if this pile of shit can double in price I’d imagine every dodgy contractor in NZ draws wood at the thought of Auckland ratepayers paying for a stadium.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11790137
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@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@Chris-B hookers and coke don’t pay for themselves you know.
@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
The margins on development are tiny. I know some developers with money, who can't make projects stack up. Land cost, + council cost +build cost escalation just leaves nothign in it for them. And these guys know what they are doing. It's pretty farking scary when you consider how many houses we need in auckland for the 70,000 new people each year.
Still, easier to talk about a waterfront stadium eh
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Building a port in the firth of Thames would be insane.
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@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@Chris-B hookers and coke don’t pay for themselves you know.
@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
The margins on development are tiny. I know some developers with money, who can't make projects stack up. Land cost, + council cost +build cost escalation just leaves nothign in it for them. And these guys know what they are doing. It's pretty farking scary when you consider how many houses we need in auckland for the 70,000 new people each year.
Still, easier to talk about a waterfront stadium eh
The margins are only tight if you play by the rules , draw out as much coin as you can until you have to declare bankruptcy , leave the subbies carrying the rest of the debt and start up under a new name and you’re sorted .
If a report can cost almost $1000000 a stadium is going to make Auckland ratepayers feel like Annabelle Chong. -
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@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@Chris-B hookers and coke don’t pay for themselves you know.
@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
The margins on development are tiny. I know some developers with money, who can't make projects stack up. Land cost, + council cost +build cost escalation just leaves nothign in it for them. And these guys know what they are doing. It's pretty farking scary when you consider how many houses we need in auckland for the 70,000 new people each year.
Still, easier to talk about a waterfront stadium eh
If a report can cost almost $1000000 a stadium is going to make Auckland ratepayers feel like Annabelle Chong.
Or Bevan Chuang even!
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
Building a port in the firth of Thames would be insane.
Mt Maunganui?
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@booboo said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
Building a port in the firth of Thames would be insane.
Mt Maunganui?
You would basically have the 2 biggest ports in the country right beside each other. Who exactly would pay for the HUGE cost of building a port out of basically nothing. Because the Port of Tauranga would slaughter them and make it a terrible investment.
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Personally I have no issues with a working port in the CBD, but I know many do.
Of the many sites that have been examined the Firth of Thames actually makes the most sense.
Caveat the other contenders were the Manukau, Kaipara, Marsden Point and Mahurangi.
Shipping Lines like it because it is actually easier access for them and much easier than crossing a west coast bar.
The idea is to have a rail link to the existing Wiri container terminal (about 25kms from memory). It is a deeper access than all the other options (including current) except Marsden Point which is one environmental point in its favour but any development will run up against green and iwi concerns I'm sure.
The cost will be many billions but there is the current port land as an off-set.
In any scenario Akl retains its cruise ship terminals
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@booboo said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
Building a port in the firth of Thames would be insane.
Mt Maunganui?
You would basically have the 2 biggest ports in the country right beside each other. Who exactly would pay for the HUGE cost of building a port out of basically nothing. Because the Port of Tauranga would slaughter them and make it a terrible investment.
I meant expand Tauranga and redirect shipping to there, not build a competitor.
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@dogmeat said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@booboo That ignores the fact that the Ports of Akl and Tga are competitors. Why would Akl gift their business to Tga?
Wasn't aware of that. Just a thought bubble that I think I may have heard elsewhere.
Who owns said ports?
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@dogmeat said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
The idea is to have a rail link to the existing Wiri container terminal (about 25kms from memory). It is a deeper access than all the other options (including current) except Marsden Point which is one environmental point in its favour but any development will run up against green and iwi concerns I'm sure.
It has/does/will
Any expansion to MP is almost certainly linked to a rail line to service it.
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@dogmeat said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@booboo That ignores the fact that the Ports of Akl and Tga are competitors. Why would Akl gift their business to Tga?
They will be gifting it anyway if they try and build a port in Thames....
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@dogmeat said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@booboo That ignores the fact that the Ports of Akl and Tga are competitors. Why would Akl gift their business to Tga?
They will be gifting it anyway if they try and build a port in Thames....
MP is the obvious location. Thames is an idea for the retarded.
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@baron-silas-greenback Issues with MP is getting the freight south.
The Northern Line would need squillions spent on it to bring it up to a state where it could handle the freight. There has been a lack of investment over the years plus the infrastructure can't handle the size of carriage needed to move it. So you are talking widening tunnels building new viaducts etc.
Effectively you would be building a new 130km line as opposed to a 25 km one.
Then you have the problem of moving all that freight through the Akl isthmus which will put it in conflict with Akl Transports requirements for commuter rail. Of course you could alternatively put hundreds more artics a day onto SH1 but that creates a whole lot of different issues.
MP sounds great in that there is already a deep sea port there. But its tiny and its remote. I think the analysis shows the Firth option working out cheaper.
