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@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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ignore physics?
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@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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Play tapeJob done
ignore physics?
?
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@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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Superimposed lines on image
Play tapeJob done
ignore physics?
?
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@gt12 said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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ignore physics?
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This is the problem.
You have 10 year old kids who could fly a drone up and down the field / fly by wire technology so you have perfect parallel lines at the time of ball release and we still have to look at footage as if it's shot from the commentator's box.
FFS
If we can watch Special Ops take out 'the enemy' thousands of miles from home. Live. Via drone. Surely to God we can work out 120 m worth of turf
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@gt12 said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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Play tapeJob done
ignore physics?
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It really didn't help that this video was circulated last year by journo's up here as being bullshit and widely discredited. A classic case of tail wagging the dog.
When the IRB produce a video showing how something is ruled, then thats gospel, isn't it?
Gospel, by Gosper.
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I just put it up to show what the ruling is, and how it relates to physics (ie, a ball thrown backward can go forward).
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@gt12 said in Use of the TMO:
I just put it up to show what the ruling is, and how it relates to physics (ie, a ball thrown backward can go forward).
Which was appreciated.
And it's outdated / inadequate technology
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Ok, I’m caught up now
And, I think you’re wrong, so I’ll come back and explain why later.
Fuck it, it’s a short answer - it’s because the laws have to be observable for human refs on shitty fields, so tech only works at Super and above.
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@gt12 said in Use of the TMO:
Ok, I’m caught up now
And, I think you’re wrong, so I’ll come back and explain why later.
Fuck it, it’s a short answer - it’s because the laws have to be observable for human refs on shitty fields, so tech only works at Super and above.
No looking at a change in laws - rugby or physics.
Looking at a better and more accurate interpretation of those laws at matches where technology can be used.
There's no TMO for 'human refs on shitty fields' and yet the TMO is employed at the highest level.
This is the same.
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Apart from Wayne Barnes, I don't see a problem. The law doesn't permit the ball to be passed forward. It says nothing about the ball travelling forward.
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@majorrage said in Use of the TMO:
@gt12 said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
Aerial camera
Superimposed lines on image
Play tapeJob done
ignore physics?
?
It really didn't help that this video was circulated last year by journo's up here as being bullshit and widely discredited. A classic case of tail wagging the dog.
When the IRB produce a video showing how something is ruled, then thats gospel, isn't it?
Gospel, by Gosper.
Who says this concept is bullshit and widely discredited? It is clearly a part of the laws of the game.
So much so that a couple of years ago WR changed the definition of a forward pass to incorporate the concept:
Throw forward: When a player throws or passes the ball forward i.e. if the arms of the player passing the ball move forward.
There might have been a valid argument about this once, but that ship has sailed.
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@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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Aerial drone camera - "World Series Rugby" is already doing that...
The next piece, if one wanted to go all sci-fi/magic on this shit... would be some sort of super-futuristic technology (we could call it "HawkEye") which showed where the player passing the ball would be, if continuing at the same speed at the time they passed the ball. If that remains in front of the ball while the ball is in the air - easy, not forward. -
@majorrage said in Use of the TMO:
@gt12 said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
Aerial camera
Superimposed lines on image
Play tapeJob done
ignore physics?
?
It really didn't help that this video was circulated last year by journo's up here as being bullshit and widely discredited. A classic case of tail wagging the dog.
When the IRB produce a video showing how something is ruled, then thats gospel, isn't it?
Gospel, by Gosper.
Widely discredited by who?
Wasn't it released by the IRB themselves?
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@damo said in Use of the TMO:
Who says this concept is bullshit and widely discredited? It is clearly a part of the laws of the game.
So much so that a couple of years ago WR changed the definition of a forward pass to incorporate the concept:
Throw forward: When a player throws or passes the ball forward i.e. if the arms of the player passing the ball move forward.
There might have been a valid argument about this once, but that ship has sailed.
The usual crew. It was a classic case of trying to define rules as they wanted them to be played, and therefore calling BS on World Rugby.
Gallagher was leading it.
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How on earth would a drone and lines solve the problem? It would make it worse.
The problem is that the moment a commentator (eg a Kearns, Marshall or whoever that terrible Irish one is) opens their mouth and says 'that was clearly forward' using an incorrect understanding of the law, a vast majority of watchers and aggrieved fans believe them.
If you want it that the ball cannot travel toward the opposition line after a pass then say goodbye to great tries like this oneBall was never passed in a forward motion from Umaga but was caught ahead of where he let it go.
A drone and lines would only show with clarity how the ball was caught ahead of the passer, not how the ball was passed.
It's a forward pass not a forward catch that is the transgression.
Onto the talk of the TMO and time spent, we have to deal a lot with Ayoub. I hardly ever see a TMO calling from him that doesn't have him take extra and repeat views after the clear and obvious has been seen. With him you also get regular confusion around whether it is 'any reason why I cannot award the try' as happened the other night. Ref said he had seen grounding and was going to award try. That means 'any reason why I can't' NOT 'try or no try'.
Instead Ayoub looked over and over at blurred replays and decided that because he couldn't see it then it didn't happen.
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You've just contradicted yourself.
The overhead view clearly showed the passer ahead of the recipient when the pass was made plus the ball travelled backwards from the pass.
Great skills, no forward pass.
I don't believe the same could be said for Scotland's 1st try for example
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@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
You've just contradicted yourself.
The overhead view clearly showed the passer ahead of the recipient when the pass was made plus the ball travelled backwards from the pass.
do You need lines drawn on the screen? The ball is certainly caught closer to the tryline from where it was passed.
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@crucial said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
You've just contradicted yourself.
The overhead view clearly showed the passer ahead of the recipient when the pass was made plus the ball travelled backwards from the pass.
do You need lines drawn on the screen? The ball is certainly caught closer to the tryline from where it was passed.
Correct. And under the current laws which I referenced this is fine.
The refs and TMOs obviously do. Did you watch the Scotland clip?
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