Use of the TMO
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@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
Fuck knows how you come up with a workable solution to change it though.
Award free kicks for fucking around. Escalate to penalties.
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@antipodean said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
Fuck knows how you come up with a workable solution to change it though.
Award free kicks for fucking around. Escalate to penalties.
you're just trying to get rid of scrummaging!! you just want us to play rugby league!! waaaah!
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@nepia said in Use of the TMO:
Do you watch much league? They send 99% of tries to the TMO now even if it's clear to every fool in the ground that it's atry. Although one of your commentors is holding it up as an example to follow because they di it a wee bit quicker.
They do, but there are two key differences for mine- it's much quicker (often just one replay and then a decision) and the bunker deliberations are piped over the stadium loudspeaker so the crowd know what's happening.
In rugby, we see replay after replay and if you're at the ground it's complete silence. When a decision is made you have no idea why.
I'm not against TMO use on tryscoring decisions, though. It's the other stuff I'm annoyed about.
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@barbarian they've really sped that bunker stuff up too. And it's only tries, and it's only try scoring movements.
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@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@antipodean said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
Fuck knows how you come up with a workable solution to change it though.
Award free kicks for fucking around. Escalate to penalties.
you're just trying to get rid of scrummaging!! you just want us to play rugby league!! waaaah!
The opposite. If you won't scrummage, you'll lose players to the bin.
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@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
Fuck knows how you come up with a workable solution to change it though.
It's the speed that gets me.
Take the Folau no-try. It took five minutes to resolve. I don't think you'd see nearly as much anger if the TMO looked at it, stopped the game and said 'it's a penalty to Ireland for a tackle without the ball' and that was that.
Instead, we get the 'hey I THINK I've seen something' and the game grinds to a halt while we call in the touchies, see 15 replays and have a long discussion about what it all means.
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@antipodean said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@antipodean said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
Fuck knows how you come up with a workable solution to change it though.
Award free kicks for fucking around. Escalate to penalties.
you're just trying to get rid of scrummaging!! you just want us to play rugby league!! waaaah!
The opposite. If you won't scrummage, you'll lose players to the bin.
you think that's how it will be interpreted? Teams with large ass props who want to use their scrum to draw penalties/gain dominance are going to see it as depowering the scrum to make it faster.
Just to note, in case it's not clear, i absolutely agree with this, and would love to see a shot clock implemented on all set piece. I can already predict the resistance from certain quarters though
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@barbarian @mariner4life It annoys me more in league because in general they're just straightforward decisions and that's why the Bunker is able to rule on them so quickly. And I always fucking feel like KFC after each decision!
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@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
you think that's how it will be interpreted? Teams with large ass props who want to use their scrum to draw penalties/gain dominance are going to see it as depowering the scrum to make it faster.
Then they're looking at it wrongly. If you possess the stronger scrum, you want less wait, so the other team can't recover. The more they tire, the more mistakes, the more scrums you get to have...
I'd love a 'shot clock implemented on all set piece'.
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@barbarian said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
Fuck knows how you come up with a workable solution to change it though.
It's the speed that gets me.
Take the Folau no-try. It took five minutes to resolve. I don't think you'd see nearly as much anger if the TMO looked at it, stopped the game and said 'it's a penalty to Ireland for a tackle without the ball' and that was that.
Instead, we get the 'hey I THINK I've seen something' and the game grinds to a halt while we call in the touchies, see 15 replays and have a long discussion about what it all means.
my problem with that is relevance? How and why was that required? it was a mile before the try, happened in front of the ref, and was waved play on. If by taking out that player, Aus gained the advantage taht resulted in the try, then okay. But we went back so far, for what? a penalty? whoop de ducking doo. Did Coleman shoulder charge him in the had and knock him on? no. so fuck off.
And getting the on-field ref to be the sole judge by watching the big screen seems absolutely retarded.
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@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
my problem with that is relevance? How and why was that required?
And that's the kicker. I understand your arguments above - we are the problem. We are the reason we have this system in the first place.
But now we're solving things that aren't even problems. If the TMO didn't intervene on that, would there have been outrage? Maybe from the most one-eyed Irish fans, but I don't think the vast majority would bat an eyelid.
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@barbarian said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
my problem with that is relevance? How and why was that required?
And that's the kicker. I understand your arguments above - we are the problem. We are the reason we have this system in the first place.
But now we're solving things that aren't even problems. If the TMO didn't intervene on that, would there have been outrage? Maybe from the most one-eyed Irish fans, but I don't think the vast majority would bat an eyelid.
gifs. stills. red circles. red arrows.
some fuck head in a studio saying "look, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but i have to say it, Australia were refereed differently today. That's a penalty to Ireland all day, where was the call? It's disgraceful really"
And the masses will swallow it and attack.
I would limit it to tries only. And the last phase only. And the TMO makes the decision, while looking at what the ref specifically asks them to. Just adopt the league position.
Missed "foul play" is for the judiciary
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Oh my favourite subject! The widening of the TMO has failed, for all the reasons above.
I think the only solution that people will accept is an appeal system. Give each team a fixed number and let them tell the ref what they want checked. TMO agrees and they keep the appeal. TMO disagrees, you lose a sub (no subs left? No appeals).
The on field ref can refer himself but only for tries and only in the last phase (with the conceding team being given an option to request a specific play checked if they choose to use a review at the same time as the ref refers so they can't watch the replay and request a review).
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I think we can safely bypass this entire process and have the judicial commissioner and two ex-players on the horn instead.
Ref: "So after stepping through the process and applicable laws, I'm thinking red card?"
Judiciary: "Nah mate"
Ref: "So yellow then?"
Judiciary: "Probs a penalty against black for falling on his head eh?" -
@barbarian said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
my problem with that is relevance? How and why was that required?
And that's the kicker. I understand your arguments above - we are the problem. We are the reason we have this system in the first place.
But now we're solving things that aren't even problems. If the TMO didn't intervene on that, would there have been outrage? Maybe from the most one-eyed Irish fans, but I don't think the vast majority would bat an eyelid.
Well, actually, that's a very very large sub-population.
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The biggest 'tragedy' is that the NRL 'abandoned' their in-goal touch judges after just one year to go with the new-fangled TMO. Where League went, union belatedly went (but skipped the in-goal touchies entirely).
We just wanted to know about groundings .......
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I agree it has got a bit silly.
What annoys me most is the cryptic way the ref and tmo talk to each other. The whole "can you give me a reason not to not award a try". Then a cryptic answer back from the tmo etc. It just makes them sound incompetent when both are trying to avoid being the one that makes the call.
Just tell him what you want checked and whether there was an advantage and the tmo checks it and makes the call.I would also limit the foul play check to ones referred by the on field officials and encourage them to say "nothing in it, play on" if it is minor. So often we see a penalty given just because they have stopped to check.
Can't really see WR back tracking on any of this stuff though.
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Good article fella.
I'd he happy to go to an NFL style tmo, where the ref makes a call and it gets overturned only if it is clear and obvious.
Also, the game is almost unrefereeable. So many conflicting laws, and so many players pushing the line all the time
Spectators at the ground get treated like rubbish, and that could be done better. Big screen, or an announcement on the PA.
