Exodus 2018
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Yeah has been a sad decline to watch. Was really hoping he would be the first to score 50 test tries for the ABs. Time for Reiko to do it.
That french qtr will be my enduring memory of Jules. That was the closest to a Lomu performance IMO.
Nadolo was big and had a few spectacular moments but for me he didn't have the speed or balance to go with his size that Lomu and Jules had. Often it would just take a light touch from a defender and he would come crashing down. -
@canefan said in Exodus 2018:
@kiwimurph said in Exodus 2018:
@canefan I believe @SammyC is referring to Nemani Nadolo not Waisake Naholo
Righto oh then....
I haven't seen that much of him, what Super franchise did he play for again? I'll give him greater consideration when he performs with distinction vs the ABs in a test match. Julian did the business at Super Level and against the world's best in tests. Not just the power, it was the power and pace
Julian never had to do it vs the ABs either.
Nadolo (not Naholo) has performed consistently for Fiji in recent years to a very high level. Last World Cup he was outstanding against England and Australia in pool play.
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@sammyc said in Exodus 2018:
@canefan said in Exodus 2018:
@kiwimurph said in Exodus 2018:
@canefan I believe @SammyC is referring to Nemani Nadolo not Waisake Naholo
Righto oh then....
I haven't seen that much of him, what Super franchise did he play for again? I'll give him greater consideration when he performs with distinction vs the ABs in a test match. Julian did the business at Super Level and against the world's best in tests. Not just the power, it was the power and pace
Julian never had to do it vs the ABs either.
Nadolo (not Naholo) has performed consistently for Fiji in recent years to a very high level. Last World Cup he was outstanding against England and Australia in pool play.
Yeah mate, was being a little mischievious there. I saw Jonah live (albeit as it turned out early unwell Jonah) and he was phenomenal. I saw Julian too, I remember the first time it was for the Canes and the first thing I thought of was Jonah. Both players would grace any team at their peak. I'd still take Jonah over both of them
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Savea's weight is going to go through the roof. If you thought he came back to the Canes unfit after 2 seasons in France he will be done.
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@stargazer at his peak, he was outstanding, well rounded game, nigh on unstoppable at times, sadly we didn't get to see him at this peak for as long as you expect, but it was good while it lasted.
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2018:
@stargazer at his peak, he was outstanding, well rounded game, nigh on unstoppable at times, sadly we didn't get to see him at this peak for as long as you expect, but it was good while it lasted.
his peak is "great AB winger level" but that is a fucking crowded field. I wonder how he will be remembered in 20 years?
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@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2018:
@stargazer at his peak, he was outstanding, well rounded game, nigh on unstoppable at times, sadly we didn't get to see him at this peak for as long as you expect, but it was good while it lasted.
his peak is "great AB winger level" but that is a fucking crowded field. I wonder how he will be remembered in 20 years?
One of many. The bar is crazy high
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@canefan said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2018:
@stargazer at his peak, he was outstanding, well rounded game, nigh on unstoppable at times, sadly we didn't get to see him at this peak for as long as you expect, but it was good while it lasted.
his peak is "great AB winger level" but that is a fucking crowded field. I wonder how he will be remembered in 20 years?
One of many. The bar is crazy high
Openside Flankers and Wingers. Just incredible what we have produced over the past 40 years
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One of my enduring memories of Jules was 2 years ago at Eden Park vs the Wallabies to get to the record breaking 18 test winning streak. Wallabies came to play that night and the ABs were well below their best, but Jules just tore them apart in the 2nd 40 and turned a tight match into a hiding. His form going into that match wasn't great, and as it turns out that was the last time he really carved up for the ABs.
Wish him all the best, he didn't throw in the towel and has worked exceptionally hard this year but he just doesn't seem to be able to regain his peak form - probably lost a bit of pace. The 11 jumper is bloody hard work to keep in the ABs, always a youngster clipping at your heals - in this case Rieko who now has to shoulder the responsibility of scoring 50+ test tries.
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The way we keep churning out amazing outside backs it's going to be hard for anyone to get enough games to score 50 tries. Additionally, the first string outside backs can find themselves rested for the games against softer opposition when easy tries are on offer. Think back to the late 90s and on and the amount of world class outside backs we've juggled: Wilson, Lomu, Cullen, Umaga, Howlett, Rokocoko, Mils, R Gear, MacDonald, Sivi, H Gear, Smith, Jane, Kahui, Dagg, Savea, Naholo, NMS and Ioane. Scary stuff.
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We also don't pay the annual first test of the seasnn romp v either Fiji, Samoa, Tonga anymore - that we did from mid 90s to mid 00s.
I think Savea played consistently harder opposition than Howlett, Cullen, Wilson etc
But maybe on the flipside there are more tries scored out wide in tier 1 v tier 1 tests these days, than 20 years ago? Better at manipulating space? Not sure. But Savea, Reiko, NMS all have great try scoring ratios without much minnow inflation.
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@shark said in Exodus 2018:
The way we keep churning out amazing outside backs it's going to be hard for anyone to get enough games to score 50 tries. Additionally, the first string outside backs can find themselves rested for the games against softer opposition when easy tries are on offer. Think back to the late 90s and on and the amount of world class outside backs we've juggled: Wilson, Lomu, Cullen, Umaga, Howlett, Rokocoko, Mils, R Gear, MacDonald, Sivi, H Gear, Smith, Jane, Kahui, Dagg, Savea, Naholo, NMS and Ioane. Scary stuff.
I agree it will be hard for anyone to get 50 purely as an outside back.
Rieko has a chance if he stays fit and then successfully moves to the midfield in his mid twenties
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@no-quarter I was sitting behind the tryline he was running away from for that, was some great movement in that try.
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@smudge said in Exodus 2018:
Looks like Lima is going out in a blaze of conspiracy theories:
The word is a strange place, Lima.
All blacks won the world cup in 2011 despite being down to our 6th first-five. Doesn't mean we are guaranteed to win in 2019 even if our 3rd choice pikes on his mates.
Makes you think.
