Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas
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@bovidae said in Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas:
Pocock was farkin' good for a player who hasn't played a test in over a year. Beale showed his class too.
I don't get the Pocock hate in NZ. He would walk into the AB 23 imo. MOTM performance tonight.
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@akan004 said in Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas:
I don't get the Pocock hate in NZ. He would walk into the AB 23 imo. MOTM performance tonight.
Same reason for the Richie hate everywhere in the world when he was playing: he is a very good player (Richie was much more maligned because he was a much better and more influential player, Pocock is all tackles and turnovers, his ball running is as terrible as Owen Franks')
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This was the best result all weekend. Who said Super Rugby doesn't build test rugby players, 3-0 I say. The Irish don't really have any backplay what so ever and it showed today but has been evident during the 6N.
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@akan004 said in Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas:
I don't get the Pocock hate in NZ. He would walk into the AB 23 imo. MOTM performance tonight.
I don't think it's hate, just that he's awesome in one facet of the game, but weak in others.
There probably isn't a better exponent of turnovers at the ruck - he's strong, low centre of gravity and a great sense of where to sniff them out. However, that comes at a cost - not a lineout option, doesn't seem to be much of a lifter. often floats on defence looking for a TO opportunity, rarely makes dominant tackles and his ball running is amazingly bad for someone with his physical attributes.
Would I have him or 2011-2015 Kaino? No contest. Him or McCaw? No contest. Pocock or Cane - Cane by a bit, but not as clear cut as above. Him or Squire ... now I'm starting to think.
Not helped by trying to squeeze Hooper and Pocock into the same team
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Not sure if mentioned, this makes Aus the holder of the coveted Raeburn Shield
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My first ever trip to Suncorp, and I chose a pretty good time to do it.
Normally my expectations are low in the first match of the season, but I was pleasantly surprised. It was a high-quality physical encounter with a great last 20 minutes.
Ireland were well below their best, but we forced them into a number of errors with good hard defence and work at the ruck. Pocock gets the praise but equally praise should go to the work of BPA, Timu, Samu and Hooper.
We took our chances well and will be much better for the hitout. Our lineout was a bit shambolic, and our backline a bit rusty.
The most pleasing aspect was our defence, especially in midfield - Kerevi and Beale stepped up massively.
As for Suncorp, what a great stadium. Though the lack of atmosphere puzzled me a bit - barely any work on the PA, not much music, long periods of silence. Felt like the crowd was there to be roused, but nobody ever did...
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I feel a bit dirty - I'm happy with this result.
@barbarian said in Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas:
Though the lack of atmosphere puzzled me a bit - barely any work on the PA, not much music, long periods of silence. Felt like the crowd was there to be roused, but nobody ever did...
TBH, those sound like positives to me.
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@nepia said in Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas:
TBH, those sound like positives to me.
Normally I'd agree with you. But things were eerily quiet at times. And I'm not talking about the need for mindless chat, it's stuff that matters - the PA didn't acknowledge Pete Samu coming on for his debut, or Johnny Sexton coming off the bench.
Both were massive moments in the game and would have got half the crowd on their feet each time, but they were ignored. And that's a shame.
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@barbarian said in Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas:
@nepia said in Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas:
TBH, those sound like positives to me.
Normally I'd agree with you. But things were eerily quiet at times. And I'm not talking about the need for mindless chat, it's stuff that matters - the PA didn't acknowledge Pete Samu coming on for his debut, or Johnny Sexton coming off the bench.
Both were massive moments in the game and would have got half the crowd on their feet each time, but they were ignored. And that's a shame.
Fair enough, I was thinking of the PA trying to start chants and cheering etc.
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I was reading the ref review on the42
Re: the disallowed try.
Van der Westhuizen has awarded the try to Israel Folau but Skeen calls in, “Marius, I want to show you… the situation is foul play, a tackle on a Green player by Gold 5 when Green is not in possession.”
Van der Westhuizen views the footage above and replies, “Ben, it’s pretty clear to me there that it’s back on the 10-metre line, a player not in possession of the ball being tackled. My decision at the moment is to overturn the try and go back for a penalty against number 5.”
I've taken some stills from the gif.
What do you guys think?
I think if a dummy runner, in front of the ball gets tackled, then that is not the defence's fault.Calling back for tackling the player without the ball 5 phases back, for a dummy run. is horseshit. Technically it's penalty to Australia for obstruction.
However. If they decided the foul play was what 5 Gold was doing to the player on the ground and how long he pinned him down for then fair enough IMO. But that wasn't what they communicated.
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@kiwimurph said in Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas:
@rapido The ball actually went in front of the Irish player that got tackled though, not behind him. He just chose not to catch it. Does that still make him a dummy runner?
Yes, it did go in front of the Irish player.
What I'm saying is that technically there is a moment (in the first screenshot) when the Irish runner is in front of the ball and is moving directly at the Australian defender. He is now basically offside and shouldn't interfere with a defender.
I'm not saying this should be blown up as a penalty every time, it is not a blatant act of obstruction. There is on really centimetres and seconds in the timing of this.
My hunch is Skeen only inspected this incident because of the silly business that happened on the ground.
But I'm wondering, if not worried, if this tackle off the ball had occurred without the pinning down - would there have been cause enough to over-turn a try? That's a dangerous precendent that's going to encourage attacking dummy runners to run full tit into contact with the opposition.
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Coleman has time not to go on with that tackle. Stick a shoulder in? by all means. But to hit, drive and dump? That's just dumb, and asking to involve the ref. And once you involve the ref...
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@rapido said in Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas:
@kiwimurph said in Wallabies v Ireland #1 - Brisvegas:
@rapido The ball actually went in front of the Irish player that got tackled though, not behind him. He just chose not to catch it. Does that still make him a dummy runner?
That's a dangerous precendent that's going to encourage attacking dummy runners to run full tit into contact with the opposition.
I see what you are saying but on the flip side Coleman has just lined this bloke up and smashed him - look at the first screenshot you posted - the ball is well past.
Basically what @mariner4life has said above.
