EPL 2017/2018
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You look at this Timeline and its insane how long Wenger has been in place
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@bovidae said in EPL 2017/2018:
I'm happy Wenger gets to leave on his own terms. You can argue he should have left a few years ago but there was never a top class manager lined up to replace him. Wenger is the most successful Arsenal manager (yes, better than Herbert Chapman), so thanks for the memories.
I've just been reading some of the messages from former/current players. All very glowing, and it appears Wenger was just as influential off the pitch for many of the foreign players.
If they could have got Klopp rather than Liverpool I think that was the best replacement around. But not sure if the timing of that would ever have worked.
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Probably a couple of years too late, but with hindsight, people will marvel at what Arsene achieved, both on and off the field.
City have the league won, but the foot hasn't come off the floor, they are after all the records.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in EPL 2017/2018:
So Sunderland got relegated. Again. Back to back years. Read that Darren Bent scored the goal that sent them down. Sunderland's former star player. Whose family were racially abused by Sunderland's own fans while he was there.
All this after Chunderland flew a plane banner gloating at Newcastle when they were relegated a couple of years ago.
Karma.
Sport throws up some mad dramatic narratives. You couldnt script that shit and pass it off as feasible.
And Sunderland lose to the smallest club in the championship, giving that club a chance to stay up. Wonder how far they will have to drop before they come back.
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2017/2018:
Probably a couple of years too late, but with hindsight, people will marvel at what Arsene achieved, both on and off the field.
City have the league won, but the foot hasn't come off the floor, they are after all the records.
They attempted over 1,000 passes against Swansea - that's averaging over 10 per minute when the clock doesn't stop when the ball goes out of play and the other side are meant to have the ball at times.
As for Arsene, he changed football in England in his first 10 years, was very good at managing the stadium move and balancing the books while staying competitive but just in the past few years, he probably did hang on too long - certainly too long for his "legacy" to remain untarnished whereas Sir Alex got it absolutely spot on (although not necessarily at the best time for the club).
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@bovidae said in EPL 2017/2018:
A fantastic game between Liverpool and Roma this morning in the CL semi. Liverpool looked to be coasting at 5-0 but 5-2 gives Roma some hope for the home leg.
Like the Barca tie, Roma has Liverpool right where they want them.
We just need to keep the goal difference to two. I know that's not the mindset, but it'll get us through!
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@kiwipie I had to go into a meeting with the scores still 0-0.
I have been dreading the lottery of play-offs for months. Hard to argue that Fulham aren't one of the two best sides in the Championship but I could see this potential train wreck coming all through our 23 game unbeaten run Fucking Birmingham.
Fulham have tightened up more and more with each successive game and clearly the stress of the situation got to them. Hopefully today's result has calmed them.
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Moyes and Allardyce both sacked within 30 minutes. Unbelievable.
Both clubs in the shit after a couple of months so change manager. Both lead the teams to safety without playing the most exciting football (to be expected given team inheritance). Both sacked straight after the season ends.
Thats just wrong.
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@majorrage said in EPL 2017/2018:
Moyes and Allardyce both sacked within 30 minutes. Unbelievable.
Both clubs in the shit after a couple of months so change manager. Both lead the teams to safety without playing the most exciting football (to be expected given team inheritance). Both sacked straight after the season ends.
Thats just wrong.
Just like Blackburn did when Venkys came in and shook things up, those clubs deserve to drop after the way these managers saved their asses this season
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@canefan Alternative argument being that while they did the job of avoiding relegation both are severely limited and unlikely to bring any lasting success.
Bothy dubious appointments at the time - but I guess it was a case of working with what was available. Fan bases at both clubs very anti as well.
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2017/2018:
@canefan Alternative argument being that while they did the job of avoiding relegation both are severely limited and unlikely to bring any lasting success.
Bothy dubious appointments at the time - but I guess it was a case of working with what was available. Fan bases at both clubs very anti as well.
For some of the lower clubs success is staying in the EPL. Not everyone can play the beautiful game, others need to graft and grind to survive. Fat Sam has a proven record, has he ever been relegated from the Prem?
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@canefan I'm a Fulham supporter I know ALL about the concept of relative success.
the counter argument was not necessarily one I fully support but in these instances I don't think either Manager is the right fit for the club.
Everton have ambitions to do more than merely survive and frankly Moyes looks shot as a Manager. Better to cut your losses now.
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2017/2018:
@canefan I'm a Fulham supporter I know ALL about the concept of relative success.
the counter argument was not necessarily one I fully support but in these instances I don't think either Manager is the right fit for the club.
Everton have ambitions to do more than merely survive and frankly Moyes looks shot as a Manager. Better to cut your losses now.
I agree about Everton. They have been a club I admired back in the Moyes era, for being a tough team to beat. In hindsight he should never have left because both he and the club have not been as good since. It may be too late, too much water under the bridge and he may be damaged goods, but perhaps Moyes and Everton should reconcile?
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@majorrage said in EPL 2017/2018:
Moyes and Allardyce both sacked within 30 minutes. Unbelievable.
Both clubs in the shit after a couple of months so change manager. Both lead the teams to safety without playing the most exciting football (to be expected given team inheritance). Both sacked straight after the season ends.
Thats just wrong.
wait on wait on, that's not quite the whole picture. Everton have been shit all year, but weren't really in danger when Fireman Sam came in. Since then they have been mind-numbingly dull, and the results have still been below expectation. The fans hate the football, and the whole club has gone backwards, Sam was never going to survive. He'll bide his time until some other club is in relegation danger, and need a guy to come in and bore teams to a series of nil-all draws.
West Ham and Moyes is a slightly different story. The whole club is in turmoil. The owners are fucking it up, the move to Olympic Stadium has pissed off everybody, Moyes' football has been pretty shit as well. I sympathise much more with him than Sam.
I just don't know why Hughes, Pardew, Moyes, and Allardice keep getting hired.
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2017/2018:
I just don't know why Hughes, Pardew, Moyes, and Allardice keep getting hired.
Because unlike other applicants, they have relevant experience on their resumes.
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@antipodean said in EPL 2017/2018:
@mariner4life said in EPL 2017/2018:
I just don't know why Hughes, Pardew, Moyes, and Allardice keep getting hired.
Because unlike other applicants, they have relevant experience on their resumes.
I can sort of understand that argument. But it omits a big part of the picture. They bail you out of relegation one year, then you sack them a year later for dull football that has you back in the relegation race.
Take Sam at Everton, the narrative of some will be he saved Everton this season, and was sacked. When he was appointed they had taken 15 points in 14 games, and of their 7 losses, they had already played City, Spurs, Man U, and Arsenal, games they probably would have lost anyway. Sam got them 34 in 24, yes a slight improvement, but there is nothing to say that wouldn't have happened anyway given the draw.
Overall, between this season and the last Everton dropped a place, but with 12 points fewer, and a goal difference that reduced by 32. A club of Everton's standing is not going to accept that. Their goal is "best of the rest".
