Exodus 2018
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@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
Agree with much of above in response to my original question. I think cappingyoung NZ players would be a good form of restraint to check outflow of players. Wales are planning to get an A team going again. Tests could be arranged during November - the NZ Maori do it, why not JABs? Against Wolfhounds, Saxons and Wales - double header or on the Fri night? Put the matches in the RDS/Thomond, Cardiff Arms or The Stoop. Split the revenue if it made sense.
Have you been reading any of the responses on this page?
The JABs would have little effect on the outflow of players. See my post below re: the financial reasons for MAB over JAB.
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@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale something would have to forthcoming from the host unions, as i doubt we can afford to send 70-odd players north for a month. (wouldn't that constitute about 40% of our fully-pro player base?).
Agreed. But the NZ Maori have travelled previously so it’s possible. Hell, NZ could select players based in Europe if they wanted.
If the NZRU got in touch with Munster Rugby and said we’d like to arrange a JAB match and use Thomond if we can agree a commercial deal, Munster would bite their hand off.
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@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale something would have to forthcoming from the host unions, as i doubt we can afford to send 70-odd players north for a month. (wouldn't that constitute about 40% of our fully-pro player base?).
Agreed. But the NZ Maori have travelled previously so it’s possible. Hell, NZ could select players based in Europe if they wanted.
That is the exact opposite of our policy.
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@pot-hale yea, we think that the Maori get themselves separate sponsorship that helps to mitigate their own costs.
Selecting European based players basically undermines any intended benefits of the JABs
My main problem with the Maori is the team they send away these days is pretty shit, and they play as the Maori All Blacks. They are damaging the brand!!
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@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale something would have to forthcoming from the host unions, as i doubt we can afford to send 70-odd players north for a month. (wouldn't that constitute about 40% of our fully-pro player base?).
Agreed. But the NZ Maori have travelled previously so it’s possible. Hell, NZ could select players based in Europe if they wanted.
That is the exact opposite of our policy.
And? Your policy relates to the senior team, not the junior team. If you want to capture more young Kiwi players and mix them with a couple of old heads, what’s the problem?
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@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
My main problem with the Maori is the team they send away these days is pretty shit, and they play as the Maori All Blacks. They are damaging the brand!!
Extremely shit. Poor coaching, weird backline selections, and extremely weak tight-fives.
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@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale something would have to forthcoming from the host unions, as i doubt we can afford to send 70-odd players north for a month. (wouldn't that constitute about 40% of our fully-pro player base?).
Agreed. But the NZ Maori have travelled previously so it’s possible. Hell, NZ could select players based in Europe if they wanted.
That is the exact opposite of our policy.
And? Your policy relates to the senior team, not the junior team. If you want to capture more young Kiwi players and mix them with a couple of old heads, what’s the problem?
Because our policy states to be eligible for NZR teams you must play rugby in NZ. We're not going to change that just so a JAB team can tour.
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@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale something would have to forthcoming from the host unions, as i doubt we can afford to send 70-odd players north for a month. (wouldn't that constitute about 40% of our fully-pro player base?).
Agreed. But the NZ Maori have travelled previously so it’s possible. Hell, NZ could select players based in Europe if they wanted.
That is the exact opposite of our policy.
And? Your policy relates to the senior team, not the junior team. If you want to capture more young Kiwi players and mix them with a couple of old heads, what’s the problem?
because our official line is "leave, and you are dead to us"
and I'm happy with that
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@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale something would have to forthcoming from the host unions, as i doubt we can afford to send 70-odd players north for a month. (wouldn't that constitute about 40% of our fully-pro player base?).
Agreed. But the NZ Maori have travelled previously so it’s possible. Hell, NZ could select players based in Europe if they wanted.
That is the exact opposite of our policy.
And? Your policy relates to the senior team, not the junior team. If you want to capture more young Kiwi players and mix them with a couple of old heads, what’s the problem?
because our official line is "leave, and you are dead to us"
and I'm happy with that
Hmmm. I hear what you’re saying but something needs to change.
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@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale something would have to forthcoming from the host unions, as i doubt we can afford to send 70-odd players north for a month. (wouldn't that constitute about 40% of our fully-pro player base?).
Agreed. But the NZ Maori have travelled previously so it’s possible. Hell, NZ could select players based in Europe if they wanted.
That is the exact opposite of our policy.
And? Your policy relates to the senior team, not the junior team. If you want to capture more young Kiwi players and mix them with a couple of old heads, what’s the problem?
because our official line is "leave, and you are dead to us"
and I'm happy with that
Hmmm. I hear what you’re saying but something needs to change.
No it doesn't. We lose players overseas all the time. There is only so many high paying spots in NZ.
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I think the day NZ changes it's stance on selecting players form overseas is the beginning of the end of INternational rugby, for NZ at least
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@pot-hale indeed it does. Mainly up North with your ridiculous structure and inability to produce your own talent.
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@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale something would have to forthcoming from the host unions, as i doubt we can afford to send 70-odd players north for a month. (wouldn't that constitute about 40% of our fully-pro player base?).
Agreed. But the NZ Maori have travelled previously so it’s possible. Hell, NZ could select players based in Europe if they wanted.
That is the exact opposite of our policy.
And? Your policy relates to the senior team, not the junior team. If you want to capture more young Kiwi players and mix them with a couple of old heads, what’s the problem?
because our official line is "leave, and you are dead to us"
and I'm happy with that
Hmmm. I hear what you’re saying but something needs to change.
No it doesn't. We lose players overseas all the time. There is only so many high paying spots in NZ.
Yeah but lose how many and how often? There’s 18 Kiwi-born players in Ireland currently - about 6-7 with parents/GP. 36 SH players.
98 SH born in total across the Irish, Welsh, Scottish and Italian teams out of 671 players. -
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale indeed it does. Mainly up North with your ridiculous structure and inability to produce your own talent.
Your = the whole of the Northern Hemisphere?
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@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale something would have to forthcoming from the host unions, as i doubt we can afford to send 70-odd players north for a month. (wouldn't that constitute about 40% of our fully-pro player base?).
Agreed. But the NZ Maori have travelled previously so it’s possible. Hell, NZ could select players based in Europe if they wanted.
That is the exact opposite of our policy.
And? Your policy relates to the senior team, not the junior team. If you want to capture more young Kiwi players and mix them with a couple of old heads, what’s the problem?
because our official line is "leave, and you are dead to us"
and I'm happy with that
Hmmm. I hear what you’re saying but something needs to change.
No it doesn't. We lose players overseas all the time. There is only so many high paying spots in NZ.
Yeah but lose how many and how often? There’s 18 Kiwi-born players in Ireland currently - about 6-7 with parents/GP. 36 SH players.
98 SH born in total across the Irish, Welsh, Scottish and Italian teams out of 671 players.We've lost the most numbers of players in the last 10 years, we've also been the best team in the world for those 10 years. We're not really losing the top echelon of players. Our depth is being eroded, and of course that's a concern, but the JAB aren't going to solve that.
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@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale indeed it does. Mainly up North with your ridiculous structure and inability to produce your own talent.
Your = the whole of the Northern Hemisphere?
blanket your
also a few
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@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale said in Exodus 2018:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2018:
@pot-hale something would have to forthcoming from the host unions, as i doubt we can afford to send 70-odd players north for a month. (wouldn't that constitute about 40% of our fully-pro player base?).
Agreed. But the NZ Maori have travelled previously so it’s possible. Hell, NZ could select players based in Europe if they wanted.
That is the exact opposite of our policy.
And? Your policy relates to the senior team, not the junior team. If you want to capture more young Kiwi players and mix them with a couple of old heads, what’s the problem?
because our official line is "leave, and you are dead to us"
and I'm happy with that
Hmmm. I hear what you’re saying but something needs to change.
No it doesn't. We lose players overseas all the time. There is only so many high paying spots in NZ.
Yeah but lose how many and how often? There’s 18 Kiwi-born players in Ireland currently - about 6-7 with parents/GP. 36 SH players.
98 SH born in total across the Irish, Welsh, Scottish and Italian teams out of 671 players.We've lost the most numbers of players in the last 10 years, we've also been the best team in the world for those 10 years. We're not really losing the top echelon of players. Our depth is being eroded, and of course that's a concern, but the JAB aren't going to solve that.
Ok
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So who are the good (head) coaches active in NZ at the moment?
The list is pretty thin - Robertson and Plumtree.
Umaga, Mauger, and Cooper are all rather mediocre.
How the hell did Mauger get a Super Rugby appointment?
Leon MacDonald doesn't seem interested in higher ambitions, but Tom Coventry looks like a good option.
Cooper is decidedly uninspiring. The Maori were awful under him.
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My understanding: players who also qualified for the Islands were reluctant to play for the JABs, in case a solitary cap ruled them out of all future international rugby.
Junior is a stupid name for the B side anyways.
