Black Caps vs Windies Series
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@crucial said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Boult, Southee and Wagner are ranked 6,12 and 4 on the all time NZ averages.
In 1973 we had a lineup of Hadlle, Collinge, Bruce Taylor (supported by Dayle Hadlee and Congdon). Hadlee was only starting out but on the all-time list these guys are ranked 2, 7 and 3
Nash, Doull and Cairns are up there when you look at it this way as well. 5,8 and 9
Just a shame that Bond never had any backup.
2001-2 in Oz Bond, Martin, Cairns, Vettori with Astle as 4th seamer would be up there with current attack and the one from early mid 70's as our best ever. Nash and O'Connor were also in the squad.
That team also had a reasonable batting line up but I'd say for consistency the one from the mid 80's is our best ever. The team that won the second test at Trent Bridge had 8 guys with test centuries to their name
Rigor,
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ODI squad vs WI named
Kane - 1st ODI
Todd Astle
Trent Boult
Colin de Grandhomme
Lockie Ferguson
Matt Henry
Tom Latham (wk)
Adam Milne
Colin Munro
Henry Nicholls
Tim Southee - 1st ODI
Ross Taylor
George Worker
Neil Broom - 2nd and 3rd ODIs
Mitchell Santner - 2nd and 3rd ODIs -
@mimic said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
ODI squad vs WI named
Kane - 1st ODI
Todd Astle
Trent Boult
Colin de Grandhomme
Lockie Ferguson
Matt Henry
Tom Latham (wk)
Adam Milne
Colin Munro
Henry Nicholls
Tim Southee - 1st ODI
Ross Taylor
George Worker
Neil Broom - 2nd and 3rd ODIs
Mitchell Santner - 2nd and 3rd ODIsNo Neesh or Anderson. Interesting.
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@crucial said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Boult, Southee and Wagner are ranked 6,12 and 4 on the all time NZ averages.
In 1973 we had a lineup of Hadlle, Collinge, Bruce Taylor (supported by Dayle Hadlee and Congdon). Hadlee was only starting out but on the all-time list these guys are ranked 2, 7 and 3
Nash, Doull and Cairns are up there when you look at it this way as well. 5,8 and 9
Just a shame that Bond never had any backup.
2001-2 in Oz Bond, Martin, Cairns, Vettori with Astle as 4th seamer would be up there with current attack and the one from early mid 70's as our best ever. Nash and O'Connor were also in the squad.
That team also had a reasonable batting line up but I'd say for consistency the one from the mid 80's is our best ever. The team that won the second test at Trent Bridge had 8 guys with test centuries to their name
Rigor,
On paper that bowling looks shit hot but Bond was still learning, rocked it in the ODIs but his test bowling took a while to develop. Cold play wasn’t at his best then either
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@virgil said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@crucial said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Boult, Southee and Wagner are ranked 6,12 and 4 on the all time NZ averages.
In 1973 we had a lineup of Hadlle, Collinge, Bruce Taylor (supported by Dayle Hadlee and Congdon). Hadlee was only starting out but on the all-time list these guys are ranked 2, 7 and 3
Nash, Doull and Cairns are up there when you look at it this way as well. 5,8 and 9
Just a shame that Bond never had any backup.
2001-2 in Oz Bond, Martin, Cairns, Vettori with Astle as 4th seamer would be up there with current attack and the one from early mid 70's as our best ever. Nash and O'Connor were also in the squad.
That team also had a reasonable batting line up but I'd say for consistency the one from the mid 80's is our best ever. The team that won the second test at Trent Bridge had 8 guys with test centuries to their name
Rigor,
On paper that bowling looks shit hot but Bond was still learning, rocked it in the ODIs but his test bowling took a while to develop. Cold play wasn’t at his best then either
Bond hit the ground running from day dot didn't he?
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@virgil said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@crucial said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
Boult, Southee and Wagner are ranked 6,12 and 4 on the all time NZ averages.
In 1973 we had a lineup of Hadlle, Collinge, Bruce Taylor (supported by Dayle Hadlee and Congdon). Hadlee was only starting out but on the all-time list these guys are ranked 2, 7 and 3
Nash, Doull and Cairns are up there when you look at it this way as well. 5,8 and 9
Just a shame that Bond never had any backup.
2001-2 in Oz Bond, Martin, Cairns, Vettori with Astle as 4th seamer would be up there with current attack and the one from early mid 70's as our best ever. Nash and O'Connor were also in the squad.
That team also had a reasonable batting line up but I'd say for consistency the one from the mid 80's is our best ever. The team that won the second test at Trent Bridge had 8 guys with test centuries to their name
Rigor,
On paper that bowling looks shit hot but Bond was still learning, rocked it in the ODIs but his test bowling took a while to develop. Cold play wasn’t at his best then either
Bond hit the ground running from day dot didn't he?
Tore it up in the Odis but took a while from memory in tests, certainly in that test series anyway
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@siam said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 no Ish either. A bit odd as it looks like he's got enough ingredients to be developed. Thought having him in the squad would help that but I assume they're helping him work on his game.
Larsen said they wanted to be loyal to Astle as he was picked in India before getting injured, and deserves a chance. Ish will be in the T20 squad.
Guptill is still not 100% but is close. No mention of either Anderson or Neesham in response to questions.
Latham will be the captain in games 2 and 3.
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@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@siam said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@mn5 no Ish either. A bit odd as it looks like he's got enough ingredients to be developed. Thought having him in the squad would help that but I assume they're helping him work on his game.
Larsen said they wanted to be loyal to Astle as he was picked in India before getting injured, and deserves a chance. Ish will be in the T20 squad.
Guptill is still not 100% but is close. No mention of either Anderson or Neesham in response to questions.
Latham will be the captain in games 2 and 3.
Shit that's a serious fall from grace for Jimmy and Corey ( assuming both are fit ? )
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@snowy said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Windies Test Series:
so usually only have a handful of runs to knock off if they're batting 4th.
Not following you there? These are the highest chases so the over 300's, etc in the fourth innings and a lot of them won the game with only 4 or 5 down. As I said how many more would they have made if the match wasn't over?
So yes, agree that stats don't tell the whole story about run chases. Time remaining is also a factor that isn't covered in the stats.
Just talking about tests, in general. When e.g. Oz plays Zimbabwe, they're not going to get a chance to make any sort of substantive 4th innings score.
