Law trials and changes
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In a spectacular back-flip, World Rugby have today announced that they will adopt a common-sense approach to players' messages on their wrists. "While World Rugby understands the emotion around this matter, the policy is aligned with the Olympics position and other major sports. The re-focus on this area is in response to an increase in size of such messages and to deter any inappropriate content," a World Rugby spokesperson said. That said, a common-sense framework will operate at Dubai (Sevens) and this has been discussed and agreed with the teams."I still don't get why they think they have to align their policy to that of the Olympics and other major sports. The Olympics are only every 4 years; what does that have to do with the Sevens World Series and the RWC? Even more so, why follow other sports?
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I can understand if individuals were using it for marketing which may 'undermine' a sponsor, but most of them seem to have something on there which means something to them, and I know Rene Ranger has smiley face, which I guess is offensive to someone somewhere?
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@taniwharugby said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
I can understand if individuals were using it for marketing which may 'undermine' a sponsor,
Just look at the fuss over SBW using a blank bit of tape.
@taniwharugby said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
I guess is offensive to someone somewhere?
Here you go:
Chinese people mean something very different when they send you a smiley emoji
Open your eyes, that is not a friendly communiqué.
"China is a case in point. The country is known for generating creative, peculiar internet memes—ones sometimes deployed to subtly mock authorities. People there have also developed a system for using emoji subversively, so that a smiley face can actually convey contempt."
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We seem to be getting a little off topic and not really an emoji:
Shiba
"On the surface: It’s a dog breed from Japan.
Below the surface: “I am just cute and innocent. What are you talking about? I have no idea.” (Also: “I despise you.”)"To return to topic. I might have a Shiba on my wrist bands next time I am playing international rugby.
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Making rugby's laws easier to understand for all is the objective behind the simplified law book, which will be introduced globally from 1 January, 2018. Approved at the November World Rugby Council meeting, the simplified law book is designed to make the laws easier to understand while not altering the meaning of them or how the game is played. The book is the product of nearly two years’ work by a specially constituted group of experts and follows a comprehensive consultation and feedback process with World Rugby’s 121 member unions and all six regional associations. The eight-person group includes law experts, referees, a club coach, a sports scientist as well as a web designer/illustrator. The result is a law book that is more logically laid out, clearer in its explanations and, with various repetitions and contradictions removed, 42 per cent shorter than the current version.Law Simplification Group: Mark Harrington (World Rugby Head of Technical Services and club head coach), Tappe Henning (Scottish Rugby Union Referee Manager and former international referee), Dr Ross Tucker (sports scientist), Rod Hill (New Zealand Rugby Referee Manager), Chris Cuthbertson (Chairman RFU Laws Committee), James Fitzgerald (World Rugby Media Manager and former international referee), Adam Pearson (web designer/illustrator). -
@stargazer surely in the 'Law Simplification Group' having a few ex-players, probably recently retired ones in the group would have been a great help
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@taniwharugby Yes, looks like a missed opportunity.
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I didn't think the laws were that difficult to understand. I'm wary of this simplification effort unless they're removing laws.
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A welcome project (even if it is a bit late for SBW)
Sounds like they have attempted to fix my biggest bug bear which is working out what section to look in for the relevant law. The present version is a mess.
My concern though is that simplification of the written law may lead to increased room for 'interpretation'.
Hopefully alongside the actual Law Book there is clear guidance on how to interpret each law as a transparent means of understanding rather that the secretive 'referee guideline edicts' that leave punters confused.
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@stargazer said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
Law Simplification Group: Mark Harrington (World Rugby Head of Technical Services and club head coach), Tappe Henning (Scottish Rugby Union Referee Manager and former international referee), Dr Ross Tucker (sports scientist), Rod Hill (New Zealand Rugby Referee Manager), Chris Cuthbertson (Chairman RFU Laws Committee), James Fitzgerald (World Rugby Media Manager and former international referee), Adam Pearson (web designer/illustrator).
Tappe Henning? Why didn't they go the whole hog and include Stuart Dickinson, Derek Bevan and Jim Fleming while they were at it...
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@billy-tell said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
@stargazer said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
Law Simplification Group: Mark Harrington (World Rugby Head of Technical Services and club head coach), Tappe Henning (Scottish Rugby Union Referee Manager and former international referee), Dr Ross Tucker (sports scientist), Rod Hill (New Zealand Rugby Referee Manager), Chris Cuthbertson (Chairman RFU Laws Committee), James Fitzgerald (World Rugby Media Manager and former international referee), Adam Pearson (web designer/illustrator).
Tappe Henning? Why didn't they go the whole hog and include Stuart Dickinson, Derek Bevan and Jim Fleming while they were at it...
Mind you they could have done worse.
George Ayoub.
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I am cautiously optimistic. Hopefully they tidy up all the inconsistent language and make it easier to follow.
I'm not that impressed that they are releasing it on 1 January and it will be effective immediately. WR are saying that it does not alter the laws at all, but I don't believe it is possible to rewrite a lawbook without altering the laws slightly - even if unintentionally.
A better approach would have been to release it a month before it becomes official, to give all the refs a chance to get to grips with it.
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@damo said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
I am cautiously optimistic. Hopefully they tidy up all the inconsistent language and make it easier to follow.
I'm not that impressed that they are releasing it on 1 January and it will be effective immediately. WR are saying that it does not alter the laws at all, but I don't believe it is possible to rewrite a lawbook without altering the laws slightly - even if unintentionally.
A better approach would have been to release it a month before it becomes official, to give all the refs a chance to get to grips with it.
And coaches, and players
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@damo said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
I'm not that impressed that they are releasing it on 1 January and it will be effective immediately. WR are saying that it does not alter the laws at all, but I don't believe it is possible to rewrite a lawbook without altering the laws slightly - even if unintentionally.
The reason the law book is like it is, is because of the requirement to provide clarity.
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@antipodean said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
@damo said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
I'm not that impressed that they are releasing it on 1 January and it will be effective immediately. WR are saying that it does not alter the laws at all, but I don't believe it is possible to rewrite a lawbook without altering the laws slightly - even if unintentionally.
The reason the law book is like it is, is because of the requirement to provide clarity.
The laws as written, and the laws as refereed are totally different. Woudl be good to write them the way they are meant to be played.
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@nzzp said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
@antipodean said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
@damo said in Law trials and changes set for 2017 and beyond:
I'm not that impressed that they are releasing it on 1 January and it will be effective immediately. WR are saying that it does not alter the laws at all, but I don't believe it is possible to rewrite a lawbook without altering the laws slightly - even if unintentionally.
The reason the law book is like it is, is because of the requirement to provide clarity.
The laws as written, and the laws as refereed are totally different. Woudl be good to write them the way they are meant to be played.
Agreed. Guarantee they aren't and down the track there will be "clarifications" promulgated.
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World Rugby has launched the simplified law book yesterday (2 January 2018).
You can find it here: http://laws.worldrugby.org/index.php?&language=EN
Media release: https://www.worldrugby.org/news/303487?lang=en
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Don't know about being simplified. More like laid out better with tables and pictures to make it easier to follow. The legalese is still there along with the big gaps for interpretation but overall it is a big improvement on the previous versions.
A good example is the ruling on a late tackle on a kicker. Rather than a long wordy and messy explanation there is a diagram showing where the resulting penalty can be taken. In fact it highlighted a ruling I wasn't aware of which was that if the kick goes dead in goal you get a 5 metre penalty out of it
