Laurel Hubbard
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How many of you have heard of Tracey Lambrechs?
She would have been the NZ rep in the 90+ kg category at the Commonwealth Games (the same weight category as Hubbard) but she has reportedly lost 17 kg to allow her compete in the under 90 kg category. This is one of the flow-on effects of this whole saga.
Being a transgender athlete wouldn't be such an issue in sports like shooting, equestrian etc but in any sport where strength and speed are so important there will never be a level playing field. Look at all the controversy surrounding Caster Semenya.
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A lot of the issue is also where do you draw the line? I think an ex male weightlifter then deciding that he's a female more than crosses the line regardless of testostorone levels. Musclemass for a start has to be an issue. Any resident biologists on here able to confirm other attributes?
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I want to see a photo of what she looked like before, I wonder if he was ripped or one of the cuddly type of strong men. She is probably the first transgender that has actually been so successful. There have been others in other sports where strength helps but none have done as well.
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What are your sources for boys being allowed to shower with girls etc? I’ve read about the Canada gender thing, but I’ve yet to read about any actual situations where little penises are ok in the girls room. Would love to see your sources as I’m currently having an ongoing discussion with another friend about this issue.
Edited, because it was a bit weird.
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@gt12 said in Laurel Hubbard:
What are your sources for boys being allowed to shower with girls etc? I’ve read about the Canada gender thing, but I’ve yet to see any actual situations where little penises are ok in the girls room. Would love to see them as I’m currently having a bit of an ongoing discussion with another friend.
This is the ferns weirdest ever post
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@raznomore said in Laurel Hubbard:
@rembrandt I can't decide if I'm liberal or conservative so best to stay off the political forum. The Baron would eat my happy go lucky comments alive.
Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive... feel free to be both.
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@raznomore said in Laurel Hubbard:
Its tricky because on one hand I am saying "be who you are" and on the other Im like "but if you love sports and you want to compete you have to be someone else".
This is totally political but I started this thread because its sports based and in the news now. Totally fine to move it though.
Don't worry the mods move things as required, Stargazer is NOT a mod and is completely and utterly irrelevant to any decision making process, we just wish he would realise that and stop trying to moderate from the back seat.
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@no-quarter said in Laurel Hubbard:
@raznomore said in Laurel Hubbard:
@rembrandt I can't decide if I'm liberal or conservative so best to stay off the political forum. The Baron would eat my happy go lucky comments alive.
5 years ago I would have told you I'm liberal, but today with all the outrage culture and SJW nonsense I'm not so sure. Which is why I love the Politics forum! Come join the fun!
Chances are your thread will get moved so you'll have no choice...
When did we move politics to a separate forum?!! I just had off topic and sportstalk bookmarked, and I thought the former had been a bit boring/quiet the past few months. I've been missing out!
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@gt12 said in Laurel Hubbard:
What are your sources for boys being allowed to shower with girls etc? I’ve read about the Canada gender thing, but I’ve yet to see any actual situations where little penises are ok in the girls room. Would love to see them as I’m currently having a bit of an ongoing discussion with another friend.
This could use a little bit of editing.
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Guides allows boys who identify as female to shower with girls
The Girl Guides will allow boys who identify as female to shower with girls, it has emerged.
Also this where they rules a transgender male could shower and use the same locker rooms but had to at least use a curtain..well then that was challenged as the curtain was regarded as discriminatory.
U.S.: Illinois transgender student must get full locker room access | CNN
A Chicago-area school district violated anti-discrimination laws by denying a transgender student full access to the girl’s locker room, federal authorities said, the latest inquiry to side with students who feel discriminated against by school policies.
I don't have kids, but I do have nieces, and I swear to god there would be some violence if some institution forced them to not only share a locker room with a bloke but to even go as far as making it a civil rights issue that he has to be naked with them
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Laurel Hubbard:
@raznomore said in Laurel Hubbard:
@rembrandt I can't decide if I'm liberal or conservative so best to stay off the political forum. The Baron would eat my happy go lucky comments alive.
Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive... feel free to be both.
There is an argument that it is the place most people end up. Change the world lefties grow more fiscally conservative as they get out into the real world and social conservatives soften their opinions from life experiences as well.
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@rembrandt said in Laurel Hubbard:
@tewaio Dude! You have missed so much..although not a lot of disagreement anymore. I miss you Gollum!
Yup, we need more people willing to debate over there. I'd love for @Stargazer to expand on why he thinks it's OK for young children to supress puberty, thus stunting development and likely rendering them infertile well before they are able to properly understand the consequences of such a life changing decision. Especially when you consider the majority of them do not even develop gender dysphoria later in life. It's a shame that so many people are completely unwilling to have their ideas challenged.
