Black Caps in India
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Some perspective needed. That was some of the best Indian bowling for a long time. Seamers and spinners.
Obviously we need lots of things to go our way to win but the wickets were good bowling and building pressure rather than dumb batting plans or shots
All on for sunday
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@siam I just think that if we bowl first we can overcome a few poor overs at the start, and it gives our guys a chance to get into the game. When you bat, a horror start where you lose a few too many wickets early and we are farked from then on
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps in India:
Par for the course with the Black Caps I guess. We've got a handful of world class players backed up by people that are not quite at the level needed for international cricket. Munro basically missed a straight one with non-existent defense, it's just a real bonus when guys like him come off.
Bit disappointing to hear Boult wasn't at his best, but I guess when you're defending such a small target it's easy to try too hard to take wickets instead of settling into a rhythm like he did in the first ODI.
Not a complete disaster, a bunch of players got starts and didn't kick on. Kane must be due a big score in the 3rd ODI so that should put us in a commanding position...
Yep in the shorter versions especially we have a few 'all rounders' which in Black Cap speak means guys who might get the odd wicket or 20-30 odd runs in amongst a lot of mediocrity.
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We love our "bits and pieces" allrounders alright. A wicket here, 20 quick fire runs there. And in fairness they can be pretty effective in T20s and ODIs provided our big guns fire a shot.
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps in India:
And in fairness they can be pretty effective in T20s and ODIs provided our big guns fire a shot.
That is the key to it - we were 4/58. Our big guns weren't loaded. The little guns went pop - Santner, Southee, de Grandhomme but needed more up front.
Agree with those that suggest that we should have bowled first. It really must be easier for them to chase a target knowing what it is, rather than guessing what might be a decent total, on that pitch, under those conditions. Don is also right that you must be able to do both, but if you have the choice...
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@snowy said in Black Caps in India:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps in India:
And in fairness they can be pretty effective in T20s and ODIs provided our big guns fire a shot.
That is the key to it - we were 4/58. Our big guns weren't loaded. The little guns went pop - Santner, Southee, de Grandhomme but needed more up front.
Agree with those that suggest that we should have bowled first. It really must be easier for them to chase a target knowing what it is, rather than guessing what might be a decent total, on that pitch, under those conditions. Don is also right that you must be able to do both, but if you have the choice...
If we can all agree that our team is not a complete team by top international standards then it is madness opting to bat first on principle. We make ourselves more vulnerable batting first, at least if we bowl we aren't totally out of a game by half time mostly
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@canefan said in Black Caps in India:
@snowy said in Black Caps in India:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps in India:
And in fairness they can be pretty effective in T20s and ODIs provided our big guns fire a shot.
That is the key to it - we were 4/58. Our big guns weren't loaded. The little guns went pop - Santner, Southee, de Grandhomme but needed more up front.
Agree with those that suggest that we should have bowled first. It really must be easier for them to chase a target knowing what it is, rather than guessing what might be a decent total, on that pitch, under those conditions. Don is also right that you must be able to do both, but if you have the choice...
If we can all agree that our team is not a complete team by top international standards then it is madness opting to bat first on principle. We make ourselves more vulnerable batting first, at least if we bowl we aren't totally out of a game by half time mostly
And that’s fine, until such time as we want to win Cricket World Cups - where you genuinely have to be able to play the game both ways through a tournament.
Make too big a thing of it, and everyone we play will soon figure it out and make us bat first every chance they get...
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
@canefan said in Black Caps in India:
@snowy said in Black Caps in India:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps in India:
And in fairness they can be pretty effective in T20s and ODIs provided our big guns fire a shot.
That is the key to it - we were 4/58. Our big guns weren't loaded. The little guns went pop - Santner, Southee, de Grandhomme but needed more up front.
Agree with those that suggest that we should have bowled first. It really must be easier for them to chase a target knowing what it is, rather than guessing what might be a decent total, on that pitch, under those conditions. Don is also right that you must be able to do both, but if you have the choice...
If we can all agree that our team is not a complete team by top international standards then it is madness opting to bat first on principle. We make ourselves more vulnerable batting first, at least if we bowl we aren't totally out of a game by half time mostly
And that’s fine, until such time as we want to win Cricket World Cups - where you genuinely have to be able to play the game both ways through a tournament.
Make too big a thing of it, and everyone we play will soon figure it out and make us bat first every chance they get...
We might be better served teaching our captains how to win every toss....
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
@canefan said in Black Caps in India:
@snowy said in Black Caps in India:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps in India:
And in fairness they can be pretty effective in T20s and ODIs provided our big guns fire a shot.
That is the key to it - we were 4/58. Our big guns weren't loaded. The little guns went pop - Santner, Southee, de Grandhomme but needed more up front.
Agree with those that suggest that we should have bowled first. It really must be easier for them to chase a target knowing what it is, rather than guessing what might be a decent total, on that pitch, under those conditions. Don is also right that you must be able to do both, but if you have the choice...
If we can all agree that our team is not a complete team by top international standards then it is madness opting to bat first on principle. We make ourselves more vulnerable batting first, at least if we bowl we aren't totally out of a game by half time mostly
And that’s fine, until such time as we want to win Cricket World Cups - where you genuinely have to be able to play the game both ways through a tournament.
Make too big a thing of it, and everyone we play will soon figure it out and make us bat first every chance they get...
We very nearly got through a whole CWC with that principle but then inexplicably chose to bat first in the final!! 6 of our 8 games leading into the final we bowled first. I still struggle to understand why we decided to bat against Starc in the form of his life that day.
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps in India:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:
@canefan said in Black Caps in India:
@snowy said in Black Caps in India:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps in India:
And in fairness they can be pretty effective in T20s and ODIs provided our big guns fire a shot.
That is the key to it - we were 4/58. Our big guns weren't loaded. The little guns went pop - Santner, Southee, de Grandhomme but needed more up front.
Agree with those that suggest that we should have bowled first. It really must be easier for them to chase a target knowing what it is, rather than guessing what might be a decent total, on that pitch, under those conditions. Don is also right that you must be able to do both, but if you have the choice...
If we can all agree that our team is not a complete team by top international standards then it is madness opting to bat first on principle. We make ourselves more vulnerable batting first, at least if we bowl we aren't totally out of a game by half time mostly
And that’s fine, until such time as we want to win Cricket World Cups - where you genuinely have to be able to play the game both ways through a tournament.
Make too big a thing of it, and everyone we play will soon figure it out and make us bat first every chance they get...
We very nearly got through a whole CWC with that principle but then inexplicably chose to bat first in the final!! 6 of our 8 games leading into the final we bowled first. I still struggle to understand why we decided to bat against Starc in the form of his life that day.
I was there! Considering the amount of movement I could see during the warmups I can only deduce it was McCullum's ego that made us bat first
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Won toss and bowling. So we learnt something from the last match. In saying that what's the bet India now put on 380+
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There's some movement for Southee but he's just bowling short and wide.
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Southee averaging 44 after 29 games since the WC. Not good reading.
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps in India:
Won toss and bowling. So we learnt something from the last match. In saying that what's the bet India now put on 380+
Better that than us bundled out for 200. At least we can kid ourselves that we are still in it at halfway
