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Love having this guy in New Zealand.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11837608
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If you are not a NZ Citizen (not sure how the law would look at it if you emigrated to NZ and had dual citizenship, but if you emigrated too?) you get convicted of a crime that results in a custodial sentence, you should be on the next plane out of NZ.
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@antipodean said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@Tim Absurd. It's as if the West hates itself. Why would you even consider allowing a person who commits a sexual assault to stay?
These are the ones we know about, sexual assault tends to be very underreported so chances are there's one or two he effectively got away with. What exactly does he have to do to get deported?
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@Tim Indeed.
The law is pretty clearly not being applied evenly.
So, is the pedophile going to be executed if he's sent back to Afghanistan, or has he got a shit load of money that is somehow keeping him here?
There is some dodgy shit that surrounds some INZ decisions.
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Not surprisingly...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11844260
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@Donsteppa said in NZ justice system 2.0:
Not surprisingly...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11844260
Good on the Herald , immigrations decision making and consistency make Saanzars judiciary look good in comparison.
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@jegga said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@Donsteppa said in NZ justice system 2.0:
Not surprisingly...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11844260
Good on the Herald , immigrations decision making and consistency make Saanzars judiciary look good in comparison.
No-one makes SANZAR's judiciary look consistent... INZ on average make just over 2,000 decisions a day, if they were as inconsistent as SANZAR there'd be no room for anything else in the daily news cycle
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@taniwharugby said in NZ justice system 2.0:
If you are not a NZ Citizen (not sure how the law would look at it if you emigrated to NZ and had dual citizenship, but if you emigrated too?) you get convicted of a crime that results in a custodial sentence, you should be on the next plane out of NZ.
Your policy is more hardline than Trumps.
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@Donsteppa said in NZ justice system 2.0:
Deported without even serving the sentence too...
Like a French state sponsored terrorist? I'd rather they served their sentence..
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The Herald's article, not surprisingly, contains a factual error about deportation liability. Specifically, it says "A deportation liability suspension can only be given to a person who has held a residence-class visa for two years or less and cannot exceed five years." That's not actually true - the liability can be suspended for anyone, regardless of how long after the grant of residence the offense was committed.
Also, they have missed that the guy was liable for deportation after the first conviction, which occurred within 6 months of arrival on his resident visa.
There is something missing from the Herald's article - how the guy obtained residence. I'd guess that it was as a refugee, in which case the INZ decision is in line with Immigration and Protection Tribunal (the appeal body for deportation decisions) decisions for similar circumstances. In particular, deporting people who run a high risk of being killed in their home country is very hard to get past IPT. Given that, if INZ believed that was the likely outcome at IPT, I can see why they wouldn't bother in the first place.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback meh...Its what I think should happen, you arent a citizen, break the laws to the extent you need to be jailed, laters!
however I know it is rarely straight forward (ie the Rainbow Warrior example as mentioned above) and will always be reasons why you can do something this time, but not next....similarly I think there are instances where death penalty should be used, but certainly subjective again.
I recall a number of years back that MUslim Cleric in the UK with the hook, was not able to be deported back to Jordan (, or was it Egypt?) as he would be facing the Death penalty there.
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@taniwharugby
I wasn't criticising you. Just illustrating how pathetic the opposition to Trump taking a hardline on deporting criminals is. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback is there actually much real opposition to deporting criminals, anywhere?
Plenty of opposition to trump because he's a moron as per recent interview transcripts. Plenty of opposition to his immigration stance. Don't recall many people saying 'we must retain our foreign criminals'. If you're talking about illegal immigrants, where their only crime is being there, and there are a shit load of them already there, then that is quite a different kettle of fish to this situation. It's almost a problem too big for such a simple solution to work.
I'm all for getting rid of foreign crims here, if we can legally - as I'm sure most people are. -
@reprobate said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback is there actually much real opposition to deporting criminals, anywhere?
Plenty of opposition to trump because he's a moron as per recent interview transcripts. Plenty of opposition to his immigration stance. Don't recall many people saying 'we must retain our foreign criminals'. If you're talking about illegal immigrants, where their only crime is being there, and there are a shit load of them already there, then that is quite a different kettle of fish to this situation. It's almost a problem too big for such a simple solution to work.
I'm all for getting rid of foreign crims here, if we can legally - as I'm sure most people are.You need to investigate sanctuary cities and what Trumps policies on illegal immigrants actually is.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback i don't understand the relevance of the link. The guy had been deported, 5 times?
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@reprobate said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback i don't understand the relevance of the link. The guy had been deported, 5 times?
That's not a failing of policy, but of implementation surely.Wel you've read the link so I guess you are no longer "very uninformed" - apologies for sounding like a pompous ass
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