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@Donsteppa
Trump is an aggressive negotiator. This is power politics is an era of mad-partisanship. The left will not give up their ground easily - especially when aided and abetted by the vast majority of MSM. Trump will use this way to achieve his true objectives. Expect Trump to use the same tactics in relation to China, Iran etc. The longer the left view him as dangerous, unpredictable and unprepared idiot, the better it is for him. It keeps them off balance. -
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa
Trump is an aggressive negotiator. This is power politics is an era of mad-partisanship. The left will not give up their ground easily - especially when aided and abetted by the vast majority of MSM. Trump will use this way to achieve his true objectives. Expect Trump to use the same tactics in relation to China, Iran etc. The longer the left view him as dangerous, unpredictable and unprepared idiot, the better it is for him. It keeps them off balance.He has both houses of Congress. He doesn't need the left. Propose legislation, make sure it is constitutional and get people to vote for it.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa
Trump is an aggressive negotiator. This is power politics is an era of mad-partisanship. The left will not give up their ground easily - especially when aided and abetted by the vast majority of MSM. Trump will use this way to achieve his true objectives. Expect Trump to use the same tactics in relation to China, Iran etc. The longer the left view him as dangerous, unpredictable and unprepared idiot, the better it is for him. It keeps them off balance.Sorry, is this about effectively vetting migrants & refugees, growing jobs and employ-ability for the likes of the rust belt (espcially the 'left-behinds'), reducing terrorism, unrest & local terror threats , growing trade and prosperity for a Greater America? Or is it a polemic point scoring battle that's beloved by political junkies and leftard/right-wing-nut-job social media noisey's?
There are ways and means of getting almost any policy position implemented - while generating less unintended uncertainty and getting a court order against the Executive Order. Scott Adams and others can admire his negotiation strategy all they like - I just think this isn't a business deal and there may be better ways (and quicker, in the long run) to implement what he wants in public administration.
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Mrs CF has a conference in the US later in the year. Many of the delegates come from Muslim countries. That is one of thousands in the US in any year. Not to mention sporting and cultural events along with general business related travel. I assume they will have to sort this out?
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@hydro11 said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa
Trump is an aggressive negotiator. This is power politics is an era of mad-partisanship. The left will not give up their ground easily - especially when aided and abetted by the vast majority of MSM. Trump will use this way to achieve his true objectives. Expect Trump to use the same tactics in relation to China, Iran etc. The longer the left view him as dangerous, unpredictable and unprepared idiot, the better it is for him. It keeps them off balance.He has both houses of Congress. He doesn't need the left. Propose legislation, make sure it is constitutional and get people to vote for it.
This.
Avoids court orders and getting many backs up from those who wouldn't otherwise. Public administration and public policy consequences aren't as smooth as a two party business transaction - however much people believe it is, must be, or should be. His administration doesn't need to play games - they've got the ability to get on with their agenda effectively.
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@hydro11
Takes too long when executive orders are quick and he gets exactly what he wants in it.
The Repubs' and not united on all of what he wants in regard to immigration - did you see McCain and Graham rebelling today? If this had of gone through Congress, it would have been telegraphed to ISIS, and also possibly heavily diluted as MSM bring pressure to bear on various moderate Repubs. Furthermore, the press would be able to protest and control the news cycle on this for a much longer period of time. Rip off the plaster quickly. -
@Frank said in US Politics:
@hydro11
Takes too long when executive orders are quick and he gets exactly what he wants in it.
The Repubs' and not united on all of what he wants in regard to immigration - did you see McCain and Graham rebelling today? If this had of gone through Congress, it would have been telegraphed to ISIS, and also possibly heavily diluted as MSM bring pressure to bear on various moderate Repubs. Furthermore, the press would be able to protest and control the news cycle on this for a much longer period of time. Rip off the plaster quickly.And immediately get a court injunction?
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@canefan said in US Politics:
Mrs CF has a conference in the US later in the year. Many of the delegates come from Muslim countries. That is one of thousands in the US in any year. Not to mention sporting and cultural events along with general business related travel. I assume they will have to sort this out?
Hang on, you think this effects all predominantly Muslim countries? Or you were just asking that question for dramatic effect?
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This whole business is just more noise. We are going to have years of this, the left bleat about everything he does and he and his supporters dont give a flying fuck.Obama did outrageous things that the right hated as well.. but guess what? They had to suck it up. He made sure that Muslim Syrians got preferential entry over Syrian Christians. That is bloody outrageous as well? Oh no.. he didn't have the MSM outrage machine to get things all heated up.
This is not a Muslim ban, there is no registry. This is 7 countries being excluded something that the US and other countries have done before.
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