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@Donsteppa ok fair call ... although in truth I think he knew that would be overturned by federal judges (even if DT himself didn't know that, at least one of his million advisors would have) and hence it was done more as a warning that those already there shouldn't take things for granted.
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Scott Adams sees Trump's first move as intentionally harsh, as a negotiating ploy.
"Trump’s temporary immigration ban set a mental anchor in your brain that is frankly shocking. It will make his eventual permanent immigration plan (”extreme vetting”) look tame by comparison. The Persuasion Filter says that’s his strategy. Because that’s ALWAYS his strategy. He acts the same way every time. He wrote a book about it. He talks about it publicly. Then he does it right in front of us, over and over. And no matter how many times he does it, half the country still thinks the opening offer is the real one. "
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156532225711/the-persuasion-filter-and-immigration
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@Frank said in US Politics:
Scott Adams sees Trump's first move as intentionally harsh, as a negotiating ploy.
"Trump’s temporary immigration ban set a mental anchor in your brain that is frankly shocking. It will make his eventual permanent immigration plan (”extreme vetting”) look tame by comparison. The Persuasion Filter says that’s his strategy. Because that’s ALWAYS his strategy. He acts the same way every time. He wrote a book about it. He talks about it publicly. Then he does it right in front of us, over and over. And no matter how many times he does it, half the country still thinks the opening offer is the real one. "
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156532225711/the-persuasion-filter-and-immigration
And no matter how many times he does it, when it starts effecting some people unfairly, people (or "half the country")still start getting annoyed to various levels.
And the irony is, if he is 'just' aiming for an extreme vetting plan, I suspect he could have done so fairly easily. At least without a court ruling temporarily halting one of his Executive Orders in week one of his Presidency.
It's nice to always be (or pretend to be) mischievously Machiavellian, but sometimes it's just being a bit too clever with other (in some cases green card holding) people's lives.
It reads like that's all being tidyed up now, but what some call clever Persuasion Filters, others might call being ham-fisted... or being an arse.
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Too fucking right @Donsteppa . Some people want a president who uses facts and reason to create the best policies possible. The president is the most important job in the world and the people who are affected by the president are meant to just not take him seriously? If you really think about what Adams says about Trump, it is damning on both his supporters and him as an individual. Adams is saying that Trump is willing to drastically affect the lives of millions of people in order to gain a better negotiating position. I don't see why that is impressive.
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@hydro11 said in US Politics:
If you really think about what Adams says about Trump, it is damning on both his supporters and him as an individual. Adams is saying that Trump is willing to drastically affect the lives of millions of people in order to gain a better negotiating position. I don't see why that is impressive.
Shit yeah. Using brinkmanship on every issue, to raise the bar to your advantage, is shit. Its one method used to erode public resistance to change, and then before you know it, the really slippery slope policies can start happening.
The flipside to these Executive Orders is giving himself a big chance of re-election.
@Donsteppa said in US Politics:
The oil pipeline has got some coverage that I've seen, it's just buried in the mix of every other story that's triggering an avalanche of outrage/good on him stories, posts etc.
Exactly. I've seen some coverage of the pipeline stuff, but mostly its lost in SJWs trying to spawn mecha-vagina protest machines.
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Ham fisted.
Oh, sorry, "Persuasion Filters".
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@Donsteppa
Trump is an aggressive negotiator. This is power politics is an era of mad-partisanship. The left will not give up their ground easily - especially when aided and abetted by the vast majority of MSM. Trump will use this way to achieve his true objectives. Expect Trump to use the same tactics in relation to China, Iran etc. The longer the left view him as dangerous, unpredictable and unprepared idiot, the better it is for him. It keeps them off balance. -
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa
Trump is an aggressive negotiator. This is power politics is an era of mad-partisanship. The left will not give up their ground easily - especially when aided and abetted by the vast majority of MSM. Trump will use this way to achieve his true objectives. Expect Trump to use the same tactics in relation to China, Iran etc. The longer the left view him as dangerous, unpredictable and unprepared idiot, the better it is for him. It keeps them off balance.He has both houses of Congress. He doesn't need the left. Propose legislation, make sure it is constitutional and get people to vote for it.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa
Trump is an aggressive negotiator. This is power politics is an era of mad-partisanship. The left will not give up their ground easily - especially when aided and abetted by the vast majority of MSM. Trump will use this way to achieve his true objectives. Expect Trump to use the same tactics in relation to China, Iran etc. The longer the left view him as dangerous, unpredictable and unprepared idiot, the better it is for him. It keeps them off balance.Sorry, is this about effectively vetting migrants & refugees, growing jobs and employ-ability for the likes of the rust belt (espcially the 'left-behinds'), reducing terrorism, unrest & local terror threats , growing trade and prosperity for a Greater America? Or is it a polemic point scoring battle that's beloved by political junkies and leftard/right-wing-nut-job social media noisey's?
There are ways and means of getting almost any policy position implemented - while generating less unintended uncertainty and getting a court order against the Executive Order. Scott Adams and others can admire his negotiation strategy all they like - I just think this isn't a business deal and there may be better ways (and quicker, in the long run) to implement what he wants in public administration.
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Mrs CF has a conference in the US later in the year. Many of the delegates come from Muslim countries. That is one of thousands in the US in any year. Not to mention sporting and cultural events along with general business related travel. I assume they will have to sort this out?
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@hydro11 said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Donsteppa
Trump is an aggressive negotiator. This is power politics is an era of mad-partisanship. The left will not give up their ground easily - especially when aided and abetted by the vast majority of MSM. Trump will use this way to achieve his true objectives. Expect Trump to use the same tactics in relation to China, Iran etc. The longer the left view him as dangerous, unpredictable and unprepared idiot, the better it is for him. It keeps them off balance.He has both houses of Congress. He doesn't need the left. Propose legislation, make sure it is constitutional and get people to vote for it.
This.
Avoids court orders and getting many backs up from those who wouldn't otherwise. Public administration and public policy consequences aren't as smooth as a two party business transaction - however much people believe it is, must be, or should be. His administration doesn't need to play games - they've got the ability to get on with their agenda effectively.
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