2016-2017 provincial & club sevens
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Are the pools for the Condor 7s random or seeded?
I read that MAGS opted not to participate as too many of their best players had left. Actually looking at the pools, none of the top Auckland schools are taking part, while plenty of SI schools have had to travel north. Not a good look.
Edit: Maybe they didn't qualify?
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@Bovidae said in 2016-2017 provincial & club sevens:
Are the pools for the Condor 7s random or seeded?
I read that MAGS opted not to participate as too many of their best players had left. Actually looking at the pools, none of the top Auckland schools are taking part, while plenty of SI schools have had to travel north. Not a good look.
Edit: Maybe they didn't qualify?
See my previous post, and:
One talking point going into the event is the seeding method adopted by the tournament organisers, which seems to have been based on where a particular school finished last year, or where the school from their region (if not the same) did. That has led to a seemingly bizarre scenario where small Nelson school Garin College are seeded ninth while Otago Boys’ High School are listed last; albeit Otago haven’t made the long trek north in the past couple of years. -
The notable absentee is national 15’s champions MAGS, who despite qualifying have chosen to not to compete, citing the absence of a couple of leading players and tiredness among the squad after a long season.
Tiredness? They are kids FFS and how many weeks has it been since they last played?
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A lot of the elite Auckland schools, like Kents, Kings and Grammar, have historically avoided the tournament due to clashing with exams. Principals are conscious that their 1st XV boys are often the ones most needing to keep their heads in the books at this time of year.
Condors has also clashed with touch nationals and athletics nationals. Next year it will be moved to a different weekend in December so kids don't have to choose which event they want to appear at.
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Saw some really good games, of both boys and girls teams. It's amazing how much talent there is in NZ at this level.
I have already spewed my frustration about the officiating in the Hastings v Tauranga game in the Magpies thread, but boy, the ref probably kicked Hastings out of the finals, not Tauranga. -
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@Stargazer Ham BHS only qualified as the 3rd and last-placed Waikato school so did really well to win back-to-back Condor titles.
I thought Ham GHS put in a good effort too after losing their 2 star players from last year. Both are now in the NZ sevens squad. Some of those SMC girls looked like very good prospects.
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The Central Zone Regional Sevens Tournament will be played on Saturday, 10 December, at Playford Park, Levin.
Pools and draw:
Edit: this is a revised version of the revised version of the revised draw, due to teams pulling out (incl. East Coast Men's and Women's team).
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Again, it looks like we only get to see the play-offs. Live on Sky Sport 2 from 3pm and delayed on the Rugby Channel from 5pm.
It's a pity they don't broadcast all games, as they're already there anyway. It's not like there's anything more interesting on, particularly, Sky Sport 2 (unless you'd like to watch two repeats of the US PGA tour H/L) and they usually take quite a few commentators to these tournaments.
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The Northern Region Sevens Tournament will be played on Sunday, 11 December, at Memorial Park in Cambridge.
Men's Pool 1
Counties Manukau
Auckland
WaikatoMen's Pool 2
North Harbour
Bay of Plenty
NorthlandWomen's Pool 1
Counties Manukau
North Harbour
Bay of PlentyWomen's Pool 2
Waikato
Auckland
NorthlandRound - Game - Time - Team 1 vs Team 2 - Field
Women's 1 - 1 - 10:00am - Counties Manukau vs Auckland - 1
Women's 1 - 2 - 10:00am - North Harbour vs Northland - 2
Women's 1 - 3 - 10:20am - Bay of Plenty vs Waikato - 1Men's 1 - 4 - 10:40am - Counties Manukau vs Bay of Plenty - 1
Men's 1 - 5 - 11:00am - Auckland vs Northland - 1
Men's 1 - 6 - 11:20am - Waikato vs North Harbour - 1Women's 2 - 7 -11:40am - Counties Manukau vs Waikato - 1
Women's 2 - 8 - 12:00pm - North Harbour vs Auckland - 1
Women's 2 - 9 - 12:20pm - Bay of Plenty vs Northland - 1Men's 2 - 10 - 12:40pm - Counties Manukau vs North Harbour - 1
Men's 2 - 11 - 1:00pm - Auckland vs Bay of Plenty - 1
Men's 2 - 12 - 1:20pm - Waikato vs Northland - 1Women's 3 - 13 - 1:40pm - Counties Manukau vs Northland - 1
Women's 3 - 14 - 2:00pm - North Harbour vs Waikato - 1
Women's 3 - 15 - 2:20pm - Bay of Plenty vs Auckland - 1Men's 3 - 16 - 2:40pm - Counties Manukau vs Northland - 1
Men's 3 - 17 - 3:00pm - Auckland vs North Harbour - 1
Men's 3 - 18 - 3:20pm - Waikato vs Bay of Plenty - 1Women's Semi Final - 19 - 3:40pm - Winner Pool 1 vs Runner Up Pool 2 - 1
Women's Semi Final - 20 - 4:00pm - Winner Pool 2 vs Runner Up Pool 1 - 1
Women's 5th & 6th - 21 - 4:00pm - 3rd Pool 1 vs 3rd Pool 2 - 2Men's Semi Final - 22 - 4:20pm - Winner Pool 1 vs Runner Up Pool 2 - 1
Men's 5th & 6th - 24 - 4:20pm - 3rd Pool 1 vs 3rd Pool 2 - 2
Men's Semi Final - 23 - 4:40pm - Winner Pool 2 vs Runner Up Pool 1 - 1Women's 3rd & 4th - 25 - 5:00pm - Loser Game 19 vs Loser Game 20 - 1
Men's 3rd & 4th - 26 - 5:20pm - Loser Game 21 vs Loser Game 22 - 1Women's Final - 27 - 5:40pm - Winner Game 23 vs Winner Game 24 - 1
Women's Presentation - 6:10pmMen's Final - 28 - 6:20pm - Winner Game 21 vs Winner Game 22 - 1
Men's Presentation - 6:50pmCan be watched LIVE on Sky Sport 2 from 3pm, and delayed on the Rugby Channel from 5pm.
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Hadn't realised that the Northern Region gets 6 spots in the National tournament and thus all 6 participating provinces have already qualified before a game is played. Ridiculous. At least one of those spots should be given to the Central Region.
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@Stargazer I guess, if you did that, at least one first division union from the North would miss out and at least two second division teams from Central would get in.
Maybe teams from central and south should be allowed to compete in the northern championship as a sort of qualifying repecharge?
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Northern Region - Teams (I'll update the list as soon as team line-ups are published):
AUCKLAND MEN: Laga Faasavalu, Rodrigo Costa, Ben Nee Nee, Lolagi Visinia, Sam Livingston, Dave Afamasaga, Ignacio Costa, Mosese Sokiveta, Tutu Tairea, Nico Costa, Brody Lam, Sebastian Visinia
AUCKLAND WOMEN: Charlotte Scanlan, Tasha Davie, Lydia Crossman, Akari Kato, Christyl Stowers, Kiritapu Demant, Tyla Nathan-Wong, Niall Williams, Leanne Thompson, Leilani Fuikefe, Lara Diamond, Abigail Roache
BAY OF PLENTY MEN: Adam McGarvey (Rangataua), Akira Mako (Rangataua), Dan Crowther (Tauranga Sports), Elijah Nicholas (Whakatane Marist), Isaac Te Aute (Mount Maunganui Sports), Jesse Parete (Arataki), Josh Honey (Tauranga Sports), Lalakai Foketi (Rangataua), Leigh Bristowe (Loan – Southland), Mason Walker (Mount Maunganui Sports), Regan Ware (Arataki), Ruki Tipuna (Rangataua)
BAY OF PLENTY WOMEN: Autumn Stephens (Rotoiti), Kendra Reynolds (Rangiuru), Kororia Heyblom (Rangiuru), Luka Connor (Rotoiti), Michaela Blyde (Te Puke Sports), Ora Williams (Taupo nui-a-tia), Parekura Whareaorere (Rangiuru), Polly Playle (Rotoiti), Rian Sanerive (Rotoiti), Sapphire Tapsell (Rangiuru), Tynealle Fitzgerald (Opotiki College), Victoria Edmonds (Rotoiti)
COUNTIES MANUKAU MEN: Aaron Biddle, Jamie Gilbert Clark, James Brady, Jason Guthrie, Liam Daniela, Peni Buakula, Penitoa Finau, Chris Cunningham, Vuga Tagicakibau, Lolohea Loco, Savelio Ropati, Epeli Lotawa
COUNTIES MANUKAU WOMEN: Badinlee Munro-Smith, Krystal Murray, Te Kura Ngata-Aerengamate, Yuki Ono, Victoria Subritzky-Nafatali, Hazel Tubic, Azania Watene, Renee Wickliffe, Portia Woodman, Shontelle Woodman, Utumalama Atonio, Larissa Lima
NORTH HARBOUR MEN: 1 Ethan Roots, 2 Donald Coleman, 3 Tate Evans, 4 Leigh Thompson, 5 Benjamin Smith, 6 Mark Telea, 7 Tumanawa Tawhai, 8 Jona Tuitoga (c), 9 Raniera Takarangi, 10 Simon Quickfall, 11 Moses Leo, 12 Solofa Silipa
NORTH HARBOUR WOMEN:
NORTHLAND MEN: Bram Egli, Epineri Uluiviti, Taniela Manu, Matt Matich, Aorangi Stokes, Whiria Meltzer (c), Dan Wells, Noah Cooper Kyle Thomson, Scott Gregory, Isimeli Taqea, Dane Subritzky
NORTHLAND WOMEN: Timara Leaf (c), Aroha Heta, Arerina Ihaka, Liz Eber-Portway, Tyler Nankivell, Holli O'Sullivan, Renee Fletcher, Kayla Hopkins, Te Mania Te Iringa, Harono Te Iringa, Cydney McNally, Jodeci Campbell
WAIKATO MEN: Sevu Reece, Ratu Emosi-Vucago, Joseph Simpkins, Nganohi McGarvey-Black, Zac Guildford, Atu Masirewa, Josh Gordon, Josaan Levien (c), Tyler Campbell, Jahrome Brown, Louis Rogers, Iliesa Ratuva Tavuyara
WAIKATO WOMEN:
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Central Region - Teams (will be updated)
HAWKE'S BAY MEN: 1. Thomas Fogerty (CHB), 2. Cole Eru (CHB), 3. Damien Scott (CHB), 4. Jayden Rihia (HRS), 5. Hayden Hann (Pirates), 6. Neria Fomai (c, HRS), 7. Mason Emerson (HRS), 8. Jeriah Mua (HBHS), 9. Trent Hape (HBHS), 10. Joseph Penitito (NOBM), 11. Matt Garland (Pirates), 12. Kaleb Whakataka (Taradale)
HAWKE'S BAY WOMEN: 1 Laurae Blake, 2. Odelle Edmonds, 3. Jamie Heather, 4. Teilah Ferguson, 5. Julie Ferguson-Ngawaka, 6. Niamh Jefferson, 7. Nina Pineaha, 8. Felicity Powdrell, 9. Kirsty- Rae Sciascia, 10. Shaylee Tipiwai, 11. Gemma Woods
HOROWHENUA KAPITI MEN: Aaron Lahmert, Keanu Taylor, Ross Taurima, Garry Phelps, Fala Matua, David Thompson, Manasseh Wineera, Willie Paia'aua, Greg Mullany, Tommy Fifita-Tovo, Jamie Hinds, Lyric Jr Faolua
MANAWATU MEN: Jaxon Tagavaitau (c), Reece White, Samu Kubunavanua, Maikeli Ledua, Jordan Bunce, Alipate Natoba, Ben Wethmuller, Mickey Woolliams, Devon Scott, Shai Wiperi, Osea Rokubu, Nathan Tudreu
MANAWATU WOMEN: Selica Winiata (c), Vaine Greig, Samantha Tipene, Georgina Ponsonby, Krysten Duffill, Kristina Sue, Janna Vaughan, Rhiarna Ferris, Kendall Templeman, Samantha McIntosh, Jessica Pease, Lauren Balsillie
POVERTY BAY MEN:
POVERTY BAY WOMEN:
TARANAKI MEN: 1 Pita Gus Sowakula, 2 Trinity Spooner-Neera, 3 Sione Ahokava, 4 Codey McGrath, 5 Brent Landers, 6 Matt MacKenzie, 7 Jackson Ormond, 8 Jade Taylor, 9 Jayson Potross, 10 Daniel Bernet, 11 Liam Blyde, 12 Blake Hohaia
TARANAKI WOMEN: 1 Tiana Davison, 2 Rebecca Jury, 3 Aroha Nuku, 4 Kayla Henry, 5 Jessie Aitken-Fowell, 6 Casio Austin, 8 Chrissy Longstaff, 9 Tara Blyde, 10 Danika Northcott-Weherua, 11 Iritana Hohaia, 14 Kate Parkinson, 15 Chelsea Aim
WAIRARAPA BUSH MEN: Peni Rokoduguni, Soli Malatai, Bruce Kauika-Petersen, Marcus Ale, Epeli Rayaqayaqa, Daryl Pickering, Rodney Kjestrup, Jock Cameron, Inia Katia, Nick Olson, Epa Taraga, James Goodger (c), Regan Pope
WANGANUI MEN: Dane Whale, Tremaine gilbert, Jaye Flaws, Hamish Bennett, Timoci Seruwalu, Kameli Kuruyabaki, Te Tua Kemp, Jessy Kemp, Te Aomarama (Cody) Hemi, Te Rangatira Wereh, Ben Whale, Tyler Rogers-Holden
WANGANUI WOMEN: Trassina Noble, Nicola Cross, Jasmine Tipoki, Zoe Whatarau, Morgan Whatarau, Taylah Barrett, Kororia Ririnui, Lavenia Nauga-Grey, Terri Kingi, Shayden Tipu, Georgia Adams, Monique McFarlane
WELLINGTON MEN:
WELLINGTON WOMEN:
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@Crucial said in 2016-2017 provincial & club sevens:
How did those pools get set for the men's comp? Drawn from a hat? They seem very lopsided.
Without knowing too much about the squads this year I would imagine the best three teams are all in the same pool going by previous years.I found this explanation of the seeding on the Wairarapa Bush website; I assume it's the same for all regional tournaments, not just the central zone tournament.
The seedings have been determined as follows; * Finishing position at the 2016 National Sevens; * Any teams that did not participate at the 2016 National Sevens will be ranked based on their finishing position at the previous year’s Central Region Sevens; and * Any teams that did not participate at the previous year’s Central Region Sevens will be ranked based on finishing position in the most recent relevant domestic 15s competition (with the Premier Competition ranked above the Heartland Championship). * In 2017 only the two additional Women’s teams will be allocated seedings as follows: Central 4 (11th seed) and Northern 5 (12th seed).
