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<p>Weather wasn't great - think they were all looking for breakfast. </p>
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<p>So they weren't wandering around in bikinis at the time? :(</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="JC" data-cid="549916" data-time="1451440896">
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<p>Well Nepia, I went to Ocean last week and believe it or not, I couldn't even get parked! Not good. Mind you Waipatiki now has actual streets which are full of glass, aluminium and cedar two-storied "baches".</p>
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<p>Things have gone downhill ever since Piggy Muldoon left office if you ask me. :ireful:</p>
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<p>We're (my family) are from Ocean - it always gets crazy busy on the hot days. A few years ago the Lowe Corporation were trying to develop Ocean Beach into a seaside community but thankfully it didn't go ahead.</p> -
<p>For fuck's fucking sake...</p>
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<p>Something must have hit the fan with the local exchange, because my shit just fell off an internet cliff.</p>
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<p>This was peak speed I could get any time after 7PM tonight - everything else was under 3.0Mbps</p>
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<p>For fuck's fucking sake...</p>
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<p>Something must have hit the fan with the local exchange, because my shit just fell off an internet cliff.</p>
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<p>This was peak speed I could get any time after 7PM tonight - everything else was under 3.0Mbps</p>
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<p>I get that regularly at home - will be fine for a while and then slow down so that I remember the days of dial up.</p>
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<p>Struggling to hit 2mbps this morning.</p>
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<p>I'm on one of the test ports on the frame - apparently Telstra ran out of regular ports because they were unable to comprehend what "growth corridor" means. And because I'm on Telstra copper with Exetel, I pay an extra $10 a month for the privilege.</p>
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<p>fluffybunnies.</p>
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<p>Now Exetel have various Sri Lankan support "technicians" asking me to ping things. They even sent me a script, which I promptly modified with better accuracy, and sent back to them with results.</p>
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<p>So hard to get good help these days. Wish these fluffybunnies would hurry up:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/2KEL-03'>http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/2KEL-03</a></p>
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<p>I don't have the option to move to a better area. Fucking mortgage. We made an offer on a place when be bought this one - it had FTTP but wife didn't like the kitchen :ireful:</p> -
<p>At long last I'm in the first world!</p>
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Lucky bastard. I'm stuck on ADSL, it's fucking atrocious. Can't even stream one video without it freezing intermittently. Bad times.
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<p>Wow. Forgive me when I sum up my feelings graphically as per this GIF:</p>
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<p>Lucky bastard. I'm stuck on ADSL, it's fucking atrocious. Can't even stream one video without it freezing intermittently. Bad times.</p>
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<p>Kellyville exchange is due for FTTN some time around September. Fortunately I'm on copper that is only a few years old so will probably be able to aspire to something higher than 25mbps</p> -
I got my fibre installed today - pretty happy with the results
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Fuck.
I've been on FTTN (which is VDSL) for a couple of months now.
When it first started, it was about 16/5 which was in part due to other phone wiring in the house.
Piss that off (fucking alarm installers made a dirty connection) and it went up nicely
Decided to try a 100/40 plan, but because I was about 800m of copper from the nearest pillar it didn't improve much. Got the sparky in to move my network cabinet closer to the point of entry, and picked up to 25/6 ish.
VDSL has shitty noise beyond a couple of hundred metres, so the 100/40 plan was never really going to do better than that.
But then SOMETHING fucking happened on 1st November and its back down to 17/4 at best. And the fluffybunnies still haven't told me why that speed drop.
When you're used to 6/0.8 its fucking amazing of course. But I have seen 25/5 run at full capacity and the shitlickers can't get it right.
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@NTA Weird thing was when I was in Tokyo I found the roaming internet on my NZ simcard to be very patchy. One of the other guys had a Japanese simcard and it was fast. Can their network offer preferentially fast speed to their own simcards? Conspiracy!
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@NTA VDSL at 800 metres should get better than that, especially if, as you say, it isn't even old copper. It will depend on the 'tuning' of the cabinet though.
Most VDSL in NZ at those distances would be getting 40+. It was around 30 but a band plan change was rolled out and the minor frequency change made a big improvement. Even the design guys were blown away. The business case for the rollout estimated a much lower improvement than that.
Looks like Oz is still falling somewhere between NZ and the UK in what to do with copper while you get around to Fibre.In the UK it is crappy old ADSL speeds with no cabinetisation so your distance to the exchange can be a long way OR blazing fibre. No in-between. There is also the areas where (like the areas in NZ that Telstra did years ago), there is a COAX/Fibre network. Not as good as pure fibre but good.
In NZ the strategy has been to keep making whatever improvements are feasible to the copper network while fibre is being rolled out otherwise the Fibre uptake demand will totally outstrip the ability to physically get around and connect everyone.
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@Crucial said in The Interweb:
@NTA VDSL at 800 metres should get better than that, especially if, as you say, it isn't even old copper. It will depend on the 'tuning' of the cabinet though.
Most VDSL in NZ at those distances would be getting 40+. It was around 30 but a band plan change was rolled out and the minor frequency change made a big improvement. Even the design guys were blown away. The business case for the rollout estimated a much lower improvement than that.My 800m is back to the pillar - so the node might be further than that. This guy made a map:
http://52.64.243.5/nbnmtm.html
And it says pretty much what you have: around 35mbps for the 812m run from the pillar. Pillar-to-node doesn't give a distance, but I don't imagine it is pretty.
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@NTA said in The Interweb:
@Crucial said in The Interweb:
@NTA VDSL at 800 metres should get better than that, especially if, as you say, it isn't even old copper. It will depend on the 'tuning' of the cabinet though.
Most VDSL in NZ at those distances would be getting 40+. It was around 30 but a band plan change was rolled out and the minor frequency change made a big improvement. Even the design guys were blown away. The business case for the rollout estimated a much lower improvement than that.My 800m is back to the pillar - so the node might be further than that. This guy made a map:
http://52.64.243.5/nbnmtm.html
And it says pretty much what you have: around 35mbps for the 812m run from the pillar. Pillar-to-node doesn't give a distance, but I don't imagine it is pretty.
I could't work out the 'pillar' part until I looked it up and remembered. Your infrastructure basically has one more pass through point than the NZ one.
A VDSL connection in NZ would go copper from house to Cabinet (serving 300 houses), fibre from cabinet to exchange, then depending on whether the ISP has their own equipment in the exchange it might go straight to the backhaul lines already processed or have to be shunted elsewhere to that ISPs collection/processing point. (This is why ISP performances - along with the quality of their software- can differ on the same lines)
In Oz it looks to me like you go from house to Pillar on copper and these pillars can sometimes be 1000 pairs of copper line. The pillar feeds into the Cabinet which then goes via fibre just as the NZ one. I do't think there is more than one pillar to one cabinet but may be wrong. The only reference I found was that pillars and cabinets tend to be side by side. However it is I'm guessing you lose a touch of speed by the pillar grouping all the signals before passing them to the cabinet.
I could be wrong as we must effectively also have a 'pillar' that groups the copper lines but it is built into the cabinet.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@Crucial said in Aussie Rugby in general:
One driver down the track is likely to be a change in the broadcast environment. At some point I can see NZRU having to produce and own the TV product themselves, then on sell it to various mediums without exclusivity. The days of Sky/ Fox being the card holders is coming to an end and there will be change.
Yep - with the rapid internet being deployed now, there are going to be few issues delivering content via the web.
Speak for yourself! I'm currently wondering why I'm living in a city of 4 million plus with the internet of a developing nation at best, ISPs that have no customer service whatsoever and in some of their practices come across as they're running Mafia rackets, and a regulator (TIO) that's as toothless and idiotic as the ISPs.
I was searching for the old internet thread and couldn't find so thought I'd use your post roughly on topic so I could have my rant.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@Nepia did it take long to load?
If I was at home I would need to re-start the router multiple times before it would load. Luckily I'm at work, so we have passable speeds (4.66Mbps)for Sydney CBD adjacent, centre of the education sector etc.