Biggest Tool in World Sport
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@booboo So what you are saying is that now everytime anybody is the world acts like a cock, we have to step back, give them a hug and make sure they aren't depressed?
Disagree, behaviour of not returning serve, abusing crowd, not trying and continually being a piston wristed gibbon, is the behaviour of a piston wristed gibbon.
If I followed your way, i'd have to ask 3 bosses, about 400 colleagues over the years, at least 25 guys in the pub, a whole shit load of chicks the world over, just about every single taxi driver, bus driver & plenty of other people if they are ok.
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@canefan said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@taniwharugby said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@MajorRage was that at me?
So why does he get sponsors? Because fans buy the shit he is sponsored to wear!
His manager or someone needs to smack him around the ears and tell him to sort his shit out...or one of his sponsors pull sponsorship would be ideal.
Nick is a bit like Andre Agassi back in his early years. A long time before he realised his potential Agassi was the bad boy on tour, more known for his big hair fluoro tops and shoes and his denim tennis shorts and his brash behaviour. I didn't care that he wasn't ranked in the top 10 but I could have killed to have got my hands on his Nike gears at the time
He's nothing like Andre.
Agassi was cool as fuck, and every young player wanted to be him. I had no interest in learning a 1 handed backhand and was supremely jealous of anyone that had connections in the USA and managed to obtain his outfits.
Will there ever be another tennis shoe as cool as the AIr Tech Challegnge?
I don't think Kyrgious has anywhere near the popularity
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@SammyC said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@canefan said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@taniwharugby said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@MajorRage was that at me?
So why does he get sponsors? Because fans buy the shit he is sponsored to wear!
His manager or someone needs to smack him around the ears and tell him to sort his shit out...or one of his sponsors pull sponsorship would be ideal.
Nick is a bit like Andre Agassi back in his early years. A long time before he realised his potential Agassi was the bad boy on tour, more known for his big hair fluoro tops and shoes and his denim tennis shorts and his brash behaviour. I didn't care that he wasn't ranked in the top 10 but I could have killed to have got my hands on his Nike gears at the time
He's nothing like Andre.
Agassi was cool as fuck, and every young player wanted to be him. I had no interest in learning a 1 handed backhand and was supremely jealous of anyone that had connections in the USA and managed to obtain his outfits.
I don't think Kyrgious has anywhere near the popularity
I said a "bit" like, but I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be pedantic enough to argue the point
I'm no longer a teenager (really no longer) so I can't speak for them but apparently the kids think differently to us older folks. When I was a kid the tennis establishment did not think much of Agassi's antics either, you can't look at him through the lens of knowing how the rest of his career turned out and the man he became. No one (including him I'd imagine, based on his book) believed he would morph into one of the game's elder statesmen later -
@canefan said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@SammyC said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@canefan said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@taniwharugby said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@MajorRage was that at me?
So why does he get sponsors? Because fans buy the shit he is sponsored to wear!
His manager or someone needs to smack him around the ears and tell him to sort his shit out...or one of his sponsors pull sponsorship would be ideal.
Nick is a bit like Andre Agassi back in his early years. A long time before he realised his potential Agassi was the bad boy on tour, more known for his big hair fluoro tops and shoes and his denim tennis shorts and his brash behaviour. I didn't care that he wasn't ranked in the top 10 but I could have killed to have got my hands on his Nike gears at the time
He's nothing like Andre.
Agassi was cool as fuck, and every young player wanted to be him. I had no interest in learning a 1 handed backhand and was supremely jealous of anyone that had connections in the USA and managed to obtain his outfits.
I don't think Kyrgious has anywhere near the popularity
I said a "bit" like, but I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be pedantic enough to argue the point
I'm no longer a teenager (really no longer) so I can't speak for them but apparently the kids think differently to us older folks. When I was a kid the tennis establishment did not think much of Agassi's antics either, you can't look at him through the lens of knowing how the rest of his career turned out and the man he became. No one (including him I'd imagine, based on his book) believed he would morph into one of the game's elder statesmen laterOf course he's a "bit like" Agassi (they both play tennis, some people dont like them)... but its not a great comparison.
At the same stage of his career, Andre had the biggest selling signature shoes and raquets in the world market. So was obviously bloody popular..... Kyrgious doesnt have either of these, he;s not half the brand that Agassi was.
Andre could have retired at this stage of his career and people would still remember him.... I think if Kyrgious left the game he'd be forgotten in a year
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@SammyC Don't tell us you had the mullet too?
Agassi was one of the first players I remember who went against the establishment and wore coloured clothing. He might have had an attitude but he wasn't a quitter.
My tennis heros were McEnroe and Edberg so I only ever used a one-handed backhand. It worked out well enough back in the day!
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You're right Bovidae, Andre wasn't a quitter. I was lucky enough to see him in person when he won the 1996 Oz open singles. He played Petr Korda in the QF(or was it the SF), returning serve standing a metre inside the baseline. Petr was no mug but he barely got through his follow through and the return had sailed past for the winner. You are right Sammie, if Nick left he'd barely be a footnote. The odds of him getting into the top 10 would appear to be longish right now, time will tell
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@canefan I don't know about that. He's made top 15, and he has oodles of talent, so it wouldn't take much of an attitude shift to make top 10.
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@canefan said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
You're right Bovidae, Andre wasn't a quitter. I was lucky enough to see him in person when he won the 1996 Oz open singles. He played Petr Korda in the QF(or was it the SF), returning serve standing a metre inside the baseline. Petr was no mug but he barely got through his follow through and the return had sailed past for the winner. You are right Sammie, if Nick left he'd barely be a footnote. The odds of him getting into the top 10 would appear to be longish right now, time will tell
Haha, Petr Korda, didnt they call him the human toothbrush, for obvious reasons
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@mariner4life I didn't know he'd been that high!! I'll revert back to my original position then, he has the talent to get into the top ten, his antics make him interesting and create headlines for tennis, it's good to have different personalities (even if his churlishness doesn't appeal to me) in the game
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@canefan but are they good headlines? As I said, others are entertaining, he is not.
I don't believe anything about his behavior, particularly the recent incident, is good for tennis, and I don't think this falls into the 'any publicity is good publicity' camp either.
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@taniwharugby He's the bad guy. Some will like his attitude, many will tune in to see him get beat. Now all he needs is an arch nemesis
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@canefan but the way he played the other day, I could beat him
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@taniwharugby I'm sure he'd rise to beat you mate, just to prove a point
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@taniwharugby said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@canefan but the way he played the other day, I could beat him
I remember seeing Goran Ivanisevic in Melbourne (another bad boy until his final redemption at Wimbledon). The guy was very gifted but some days he couldn't give a shit. At some point in the match he decided he wasn't going to serve offspeed second serves anymore. So he proceeded to fire down all full speed serves and promptly lost the match. He tanked it but I don't recall him attracting the vitriol Nick has. Once again, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending him, but sometimes the troubled ones are more interesting than the vanilla ones
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@SammyC said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@canefan said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@taniwharugby said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@MajorRage was that at me?
So why does he get sponsors? Because fans buy the shit he is sponsored to wear!
His manager or someone needs to smack him around the ears and tell him to sort his shit out...or one of his sponsors pull sponsorship would be ideal.
Nick is a bit like Andre Agassi back in his early years. A long time before he realised his potential Agassi was the bad boy on tour, more known for his big hair fluoro tops and shoes and his denim tennis shorts and his brash behaviour. I didn't care that he wasn't ranked in the top 10 but I could have killed to have got my hands on his Nike gears at the time
He's nothing like Andre.
Agassi was cool as fuck, and every young player wanted to be him. I had no interest in learning a 1 handed backhand and was supremely jealous of anyone that had connections in the USA and managed to obtain his outfits.
Will there ever be another tennis shoe as cool as the AIr Tech Challegnge?
I don't think Kyrgious has anywhere near the popularity
Yeah, I remember that we always saw tennis as a rich kids' sport and pretty boring. Then Agassi turned up and we all wanted to watch him play.
Games like these, when he was 18 years old v Connors, for example. I mean, who else had long hair and played top tennis in jeans shorts?
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I wondered what all the fuss was about until I saw some footage. I'd be furious if I paid money to watch that.
Hilariously he's been fined about half his appearance fee. Like he gives a shit.
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@MajorRage said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@booboo So what you are saying is that now everytime anybody is the world acts like a cock, we have to step back, give them a hug and make sure they aren't depressed?
Disagree, behaviour of not returning serve, abusing crowd, not trying and continually being a piston wristed gibbon, is the behaviour of a piston wristed gibbon.
If I followed your way, i'd have to ask 3 bosses, about 400 colleagues over the years, at least 25 guys in the pub, a whole shit load of chicks the world over, just about every single taxi driver, bus driver & plenty of other people if they are ok.
His behaviour is clearly unacceptable and he should be criticised for it. That doesn't mean you can't also feel sorry for him in some respects (or not if you don't want to).
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@booboo said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
Further to Infidel's article I'm wondering if he is wired correctly, and we SHOULD be asking if he is ok in a Beyond Blue kind of sense.
We're judging him on expected standards of a normal sane human being. I do wonder if he is though and therefore if telling him to "stop being a tool" is really the right approach.
I know someone who went to school with him. If his personality and attitude are symptomatic of depression, he's been that way all through high school.
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I read someone's armchair psychoanalysis of the guy which made good sense. Kyrgios is scared to work hard. If he works hard and loses, then he has to face the fact that maybe he just isn't all that good. So he doesn't work hard. He just shows flashes. Enough to get people to say, if he really tried he could be #1 in the world. Kyrgios can tell himself that too. I could be the best but I don't want too be. Lest he tries hard and finds out he just isn't good enough.
Of course, that could all be bullshit.
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Nick Kyrgios suspended until mid-January by ATP over Shanghai conduct
The Australian rushed through his 6-3, 6-1 loss to Zverev last Wednesday without putting much effort behind his serves or groundstrokes, admitting afterwards that he “took the easy way out”. During the match, the 21-year-old walked towards his chair after floating a serve across the net without even waiting for Zverev to return it. He was fined $16,500 on Thursday but has now been fined a further $25,000 in addition to the suspension.
Nick Kyrgios suspended until mid-January by ATP over Shanghai conduct
The ATP has suspended Nick Kyrgios until 15 January following his conduct during the second-round match defeat by Mischa Zverev at the Shanghai Masters
