Blues 2025
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@Chris said in Blues 2025:
@African-Monkey said in Blues 2025:
Not an easy run in for the Blues. The Reds, Drua and Tahs away with the Force who are going well and MP who can beat anyone on their day.
I feel like we drop at least 2 in there. Previous seasons you'd back us to win all 5, but it ain't so easy this year.
you have the Tahs at home.
Ahhh fuck true, I'll back us there then as the Tahs aren't great on the road (so far).
The Reds and Drua games are season defining for me.
Sorry @Chris not trying to drag you into a Blues chat here, but is it just me, or could next year be a proper rebuild season for us? This year certainly hasn't gone to plan, and looking at what our side could be looking like next season, I must say, there are a lot of holes in our squad. The 2020-2024 period has been a successful one for us, but that side is slowly splitting apart, and it might take a year or 2 at least to build our next generation up.
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@African-Monkey said in Blues 2025:
@Chris said in Blues 2025:
@African-Monkey said in Blues 2025:
Not an easy run in for the Blues. The Reds, Drua and Tahs away with the Force who are going well and MP who can beat anyone on their day.
I feel like we drop at least 2 in there. Previous seasons you'd back us to win all 5, but it ain't so easy this year.
you have the Tahs at home.
Ahhh fuck true, I'll back us there then as the Tahs aren't great on the road (so far).
The Reds and Drua games are season defining for me.
Sorry @Chris not trying to drag you into a Blues chat here, but is it just me, or could next year be a proper rebuild season for us? This year certainly hasn't gone to plan, and looking at what our side could be looking like next season, I must say, there are a lot of holes in our squad. The 2020-2024 period has been a successful one for us, but that side is slowly splitting apart, and it might take a year or 2 at least to build our next generation up.
You are spot on I think with the WC in 2027 every team will Lose more experience.
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@Chris said in Blues 2025:
@pakman said in Blues 2025:
Based on how we bullied Chch I doubt any of the others would fancy meeting Blues in playoffs.
Yep Bullied yourself to another Loss even bullied the Crusaders in the last scrum to lose the game.
The impotence of Chch was clear when at 19-7 they were powerless to stop the Blues onslaught.
Blues with starting props had the nudge, albeit one sloppy scrum where Chch got the shove.But once Angus left Blues were lambs to slaughter and Newell then asserted himself like a test tighthead, which was something.
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@pakman said in Blues 2025:
@Chris said in Blues 2025:
@pakman said in Blues 2025:
Based on how we bullied Chch I doubt any of the others would fancy meeting Blues in playoffs.
Yep Bullied yourself to another Loss even bullied the Crusaders in the last scrum to lose the game.
The impotence of Chch was clear when at 19-7 they were powerless to stop the Blues onslaught.
Blues with starting props had the nudge, albeit one sloppy scrum where Chch got the shove.But once Angus left Blues were lambs to slaughter and Newell then asserted himself like a test tighthead, which was something.
I think the game in shocking conditions ebbed and flowed both teams got on top at different times.
Impotence well that was the impotence of Auckland to close out the game with Barrett having a brain fade ran the ball back Ioane dropped it cold and Aucklands scrum collapsed to lose the game I think that ending was the impotent part of the game. -
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@george33 said in Blues 2025:
@Yeetyaah why would Akira still be at Blues training?, and positive signs for Sam Darry, also.
He'd just be keeping fit or on a break from his Japan commitments. TJ did the same at the Canes earlier in the year.
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@Canes4life most likely, seems like he's been there for last 4;weeks, Darry just maybe he can make it back, we have seen it with others,
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So, is that the Blues fucked for the season?
They are a massive disappointment.
And, and, are we seeing that the loosies were the key for the Blues?
If you look at the teams for the Super final last year and this last last week, there aren't that many big differences except the starting front row (Ofa, Renata), no Funaki, no Heem, and the hole at 6 / 7.
Segner is a tryer but they are clearly missing a lot from their loosies.
My feeling is that even with Paps there, they are missing Aki; he was clearly a lot more important to their work than he gets given credit for.
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@gt12 said in Blues 2025:
So, is that the Blues fucked for the season?
They are a massive disappointment.
And, and, are we seeing that the loosies were the key for the Blues?
If you look at the teams for the Super final last year and this last last week, there aren't that many big differences except the starting front row (Ofa, Renata), no Funaki, no Heem, and the hole at 6 / 7.
Segner is a tryer but they are clearly missing a lot from their loosies.
My feeling is that even with Paps there, they are missing Aki; he was clearly a lot more important to their work than he gets given credit for.
The loss of Akira and the injury enforced absence of Hos made it much harder to play their power game, not that they were in the beginning, but I feel the problem for the Blues is lack of depth in the front row and Funaki's absence.
It is obvious to me that a power game requires quick ball to fracture defences. Christie ruins everything he touches because it doesn't matter how effective your carry and clean is if some halfwit takes an age at each ruck letting the defence reset.
Comparing games from last year the eye test says Funaki made better decisions quicker. Without him the Blues are always on the backfoot. Contrast Plummer's form this year with that which gave him two minutes on the field as an All Black - front foot ball makes players look immeasurably better.
Finlay is a shit scrumhalf who actively makes everything harder for his team. Whoever gave him his contract should be investigated for malfeasance.
The lack of depth in the frontrow is astonishing for a team placed in the largest population area. Their set piece shouldn't just be dependable, it should be a weapon.
Then there's the obvious fact that too many of the team make unbelievably stupid decisions at critical times. But that malady is across New Zealand rugby - smart professional rugby players appear to be unicorns.
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I don't think the issue is the forwards and I don't think Segner can be blamed. He doesn't have the same type of impact as Aki but he does impact in other areas
It's the backline starting at Christie. The only back who has shown consistent form is Lam. Evans has probably been next best. Barrett had a couple of good games. The rest have been average to a shower of shite.
All of the following haven't come close to meeting their own standards:
Plummer, Perofeta, Sullivan, Clarke, Telea, Ioane, Forbes and Christie. Christie needs to be replaced. The others need to lift their game and or be replaced. The backs coach needs to face criticism for the performances across the backs. He hasn't got close to the best out of them.
Blues need a new backline coach and Auckland needs a new coach.
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Funaki’s power game around the rucks certainly helped but I’m not blaming their backs (beyond Christie and whoever is at 10) for the fact that they cant get their power game going.
@Duluth probably has stats on this, but id be interested to see what their conversion of 22 entries to points, and stopping 22 entries to points is this year. Last year their scramble defense close to their line was outstanding and equally they were ruthless in the other team’s 22. In these two areas, they look like a different team to last year.
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@brodean the Blues don’t need a new backline they need to completely change their mindset which means a change in Philosophy in and around attack
A new plan with a new attack coach would be a startWithout taking anything away from the Blues last year whilst the style and method was super effective and it won them a title they have tried to roll out the same game plan that doesn’t always involve their outside backs
Everyone knows they come in through the front door and keep hammering their way through the same channel totally ignoring a backline who much be in danger of catching a cold
Friday night they were held up on 4 occasions driving at the line with all those forward charges where was the game drivers directing opportunities?
The stats don’t lie ,this Blues team struggles to score points
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@Steven-Harris said in Blues 2025:
@brodean the Blues don’t need a new backline they need to completely change their mindset which means a change in Philosophy in and around attack
A new plan with a new attack coach would be a startWithout taking anything away from the Blues last year whilst the style and method was super effective and it won them a title they have tried to roll out the same game plan that doesn’t always involve their outside backs
Everyone knows they come in through the front door and keep hammering their way through the same channel totally ignoring a backline who much be in danger of catching a cold
Friday night they were held up on 4 occasions driving at the line with all those forward charges where was the game drivers directing opportunities?
The stats don’t lie ,this Blues team struggles to score points
So for me it’s a coaching ideology issueThe majority of the backs are in a form slump so they do need a few changes to freshen things up. Mostly importantly Christie should be replaced. Things were better when Nock came on. Christie is a handbreak.
I agree the back coach and attack coach should be replaced but I don't see that happening this year
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@brodean i still maintain if your not getting the ball in your hands frequently its bloody hard to create anything consistantly
Look at the creativety of the Reds just letting the ball do the work opened up opportunites with devasting effect
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@antipodean said in Blues 2025:
The lack of depth in the frontrow is astonishing for a team placed in the largest population area. Their set piece shouldn't just be dependable, it should be a weapon.
Agree with a lot of your post but not this part
It was a weapon last year with similar personnel. I believe they gained more scrum penalties than all the other sides. It was a big part of the championship winning side. Right now there are 4 (maybe 5?) props injured. When you have multiple specialists out your are screwed
So for the last two weeks the reserves props come from outside the original squad. That means they weren't selected in the top 30 props in the country. Plus MP picks up another 6 and a bunch of NPC players go over to the US etc when they miss out on squads. When you are dipping down to the ~35-40th props the quality drops a bit
Same situation at hooker earlier in the year. Where depth across the country is really poor. 15 contracted hookers.. about 8 or 9 are goodish and reliable. When you have to dip into the 16-20th hookers you are in big trouble
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@Duluth said in Blues 2025:
Agree with a lot of your post but not this part
Agreeing with this. The population is not a factor. It generates good rugby players, but in the pro era they head around the country.
Kieran Read springs to mind as a recent-ish example.
Front row has struggled. Fusi'tua doesn't seem big enough or good enough in the scrums to me. NZ rugby is no longer developing the world class talents we have seen consistently in the past. And our coaching IP has headed offshore and strengthened others.
Our season was rocked by the losses to teh Brumbies at home and the Landers away. We are very very disappointing at the moment.
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@Duluth said in Blues 2025:
@antipodean said in Blues 2025:
The lack of depth in the frontrow is astonishing for a team placed in the largest population area. Their set piece shouldn't just be dependable, it should be a weapon.
Agree with a lot of your post but not this part
It was a weapon last year with similar personnel. I believe they gained more scrum penalties than all the other sides. It was a big part of the championship winning side. Right now there are 4 (maybe 5?) props injured. When you have multiple specialists out your are screwed
So for the last two weeks the reserves props come from outside the original squad. That means they weren't selected in the top 30 props in the country. Plus MP picks up another 6 and a bunch of NPC players go over to the US etc when they miss out on squads. When you are dipping down to the ~35-40th props the quality drops a bit
Same situation at hooker earlier in the year. Where depth across the country is really poor. 15 contracted hookers.. about 8 or 9 are goodish and reliable. When you have to dip into the 16-20th hookers you are in big trouble
Dead right especially on the props. Mason Tupaea, is he even a starter for Waikato? He looks massively undersized for a prop too.
Hamdahn Tuipulotu. He got let go by Auckland and sent to Southland, where he's mainly on the bench.
These are 2 examples of where our propping stocks are down massively. We have 2 NPC bench props now taking the field for the Blues.
People were on about Fletcher Newell winning the game by demolishing our scrum, like no shit, look at the guy this 30 test AB prop was scrummaging against.
