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@NTA said in Other Cricket:
@No-Quarter said in Other Cricket:
Murali was a batter spinner than Warne
(just tagging @NTA so he sees this)
What's a "batter spinner"?
Damn typo ruined my fishing trip
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@No-Quarter said in Other Cricket:
@barbarian said in Other Cricket:
@No-Quarter said in Other Cricket:
For the record I think Kallis is in the conversation for greatest all rounder, but not greatest cricketer, his bowling wasn't good enough and his batting while excellent wasn't above his peers (like Ponting in his prime etc)
Being the best ever isn't just about numbers and that's where Kallis falls down, as does a guy like Sangakkara. Great players both but they haven't left a mark on global cricket.
Putting Bradman aside, that's Warne's claim to the title. And Kohli as well. It's how they captured their nation and then the wider world, both on and off the field.
We'll be talking about Warney far longer than we ever will about Kallis. And that's greatness beyond numbers.
Yeah I do agree with that, outside of Bradman I have Lara at the top. He drew crouds everywhere he went in his peak, and what a player he was to watch. Warne is certainly up there alongside him in that regard.
Lara was the best batsman to watch as I think I’ve mentioned on here about a million times. Amazing record obviously but he had that X factor that made him so compelling.
Tendulkar for me had no where near the same appeal
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@NTA said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
Tendulkar for me had no where near the same appeal
"Racist!"
Yep, I prefer my men much blacker, Tendulkar is merely brown
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I don't have a problem with Kallis being on a greatest ever list somewhere, even if not top 5 or 10 in batting or bowling - his numbers and achievements are phenomenal. I'd put Sobers above him as an allrounder, though. I also don't think Kallis would make the all-time XI.
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@Godder said in Other Cricket:
I don't have a problem with Kallis being on a greatest ever list somewhere, even if not top 5 or 10 in batting or bowling - his numbers and achievements are phenomenal. I'd put Sobers above him as an allrounder, though. I also don't think Kallis would make the all-time XI.
Me neither.
I would have two 100% shoe ins, Bradman and Sobers ( assuming it is the version of him that can bowl different varieties ).
One huge probable in Adam Gilchrist. ( but then so many people might argue such and such was a better pure "keeper" than he was, then the likes of Alan Knott, Jeff Dujon, Rod Marsh etc get a mention )
If a spinner is needed it's a toss up between Warnie and Murali. No one else comes close.
But then again I might assess the pitch and decide from my pool of ten quicks that I'd have to narrow down to about four which one gets a game.......( Paddles, Ambrose, Marshall, Garner, Lillee, McGrath, Waqar, Wasim, Steyn, Trueman ).
Is there room for another all rounder ? Imran Khan for me makes the biggest case with his absolutely amazing record.
Open with the old boys Hobbs and Sutcliffe........56 and 60 respectively as openers, fuck yeah......
Then assuming Bradman is a lock at 3 and Sobers is a lock at 6 we have room for just the two specialist batsmen out of Tendulkar, Lara, Richards, Ponting, Hammond, Kallis, Dravid, Sangakkara, Chappell, Barrington............plus more I can't think of......
.....and of course some of these guys might not be quite as good as their records indicate ( Sangakkara, possibly Kallis ) and some might be better than their records ( Botham, Gooch )
Crickets a funny game
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If I was picking another all-rounder, I'd use that as a tiebreaker, so Kallis instead of another batter, or Sir Paddles instead of another bowler, or Gilchrist instead of another 'keeper (could pick him as an all-time keeper on keeping skills anyway, but batting is a handy tiebreaker). Imran was tremendous with bat and ball, but IMO wasn't quite as good a bowler as Sir Paddles (not that he needed to be once Wasim and Waqar were in the team...).
Always a fun exercise!
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@MN5 Five specialist bowlers?
While we are on it you can't include Dujon in any conversation about best keepers when he rarely kept to spinners
Lara was nowhere near as compelling to watch as the Master Blaster who basically wrote the script Lara followed.
I also think Sir Paddles wouldn't make an all time XI
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@dogmeat said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 Five specialist bowlers?
While we are on it you can't include Dujon in any conversation about best keepers when he rarely kept to spinners
Lara was nowhere near as compelling to watch as the Master Blaster who basically wrote the script Lara followed.
I also think Sir Paddles wouldn't make an all time XI
How dare you come on a forum and not agree with my team 100%, who do you think you are ?
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@NTA said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
If a spinner is needed it's a toss up between Warnie and
Murali. No one else comes close.Edited to exclude chuckers
You’re such an Aussie.
His action was cleared at the time however dodgy it looked
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@NTA said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
If a spinner is needed it's a toss up between Warnie and
Murali. No one else comes close.Edited to exclude chuckers
You’re such an Aussie.
His action was cleared at the time however dodgy it looked
The rules were changed to suit
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@NTA said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@NTA said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
If a spinner is needed it's a toss up between Warnie and
Murali. No one else comes close.Edited to exclude chuckers
You’re such an Aussie.
His action was cleared at the time however dodgy it looked
The rules were changed to suit
Might be a bit late to reopen the investigation and have his 800 wickets expunged from the record books to be fair
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@NTA said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
If a spinner is needed it's a toss up between Warnie and
Murali. No one else comes close.Edited to exclude chuckers
do you exclude drug cheats too?
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@NTA said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@NTA said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
If a spinner is needed it's a toss up between Warnie and
Murali. No one else comes close.Edited to exclude chuckers
You’re such an Aussie.
His action was cleared at the time however dodgy it looked
The rules were changed to suit
fair play - they found when they tested that actions that looked clean actually had significant flex/bend.
Murali could bowl his arsenal in a cast. I'm good with that.
