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@Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:
There is an analysis article about Kane Williamson today regarding joining the 9000 test runs club. Worth mentioning is that he was the 33rd fastest to 4000 runs, 31st fastest to 5000, 19th fastest to 6000, 13th fastest to 7000, 10th fastest to 8000 and now 8th fastest to 9000. Getting better in the second half of his career.
The summary from the article:
Not at all a stick to beat him with, but part of the reason for getting quicker, is because fewer players reach the milestone.
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@No-Quarter said in NZ Cricket:
Sangakkara and Kane stand out as two players whose average got better and better over time. Sangakkara notably after giving up the gloves, and Kane who was thrown into the NZ team very early on as we were desperate for anyone that could average above 35!
Yeah the ones who suffered most in later years that I can think of were Ponting, Dravid and Tendulkar. I hope he pulls the pin at the right time.
KWs record is absolutely incredible and there seem to be two schools of fans, those who agree and those who point out the ‘home track bully’ argument.
EVERY great player has a team ( s ) against whom their record might not be quite so brilliant.
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@Virgil said in NZ Cricket:
Even more impressive..
Always a dangerous stat that one, accusations of home track bully will always spring up…..
Not like Paddles !
( can some nerd please share Paddles home and away bowling stats to prove my point ? The site I used to go to doesn’t work )
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@Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:
There is an analysis article about Kane Williamson today regarding joining the 9000 test runs club. Worth mentioning is that he was the 33rd fastest to 4000 runs, 31st fastest to 5000, 19th fastest to 6000, 13th fastest to 7000, 10th fastest to 8000 and now 8th fastest to 9000. Getting better in the second half of his career.
The summary from the article:
How many have reached said milestones?
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@Snowy said in NZ Cricket:
@booboo said in NZ Cricket:
How many have reached said milestones?
19 players have reached 9000 test runs.
16 have 10,000.
Brian Lara suffers marginally in these lists because he got so few not outs. Most guys got around 20-30. Kallis got 40 and Chanderpaul got 49 !!!! Always good to boost the average a bit.
Lara got SIX.
Not an exact measure but to me he’s the best batsman of that list.
Younis Khan, Jayawardene and Sangakkara the most underrated.
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@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
@Virgil said in NZ Cricket:
Even more impressive..
Always a dangerous stat that one, accusations of home track bully will always spring up…..
Not like Paddles !
( can some nerd please share Paddles home and away bowling stats to prove my point ? The site I used to go to doesn’t work )
Maybe, but what it highlights is nearly every batsman out there has better stats at home then away
And a few theres a large difference between Home and Away ( I think Kane averages 44 away, which isnt that bad) -
@Virgil said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
@Virgil said in NZ Cricket:
Even more impressive..
Always a dangerous stat that one, accusations of home track bully will always spring up…..
Not like Paddles !
( can some nerd please share Paddles home and away bowling stats to prove my point ? The site I used to go to doesn’t work )
Maybe, but what it highlights is nearly every batsman out there has better stats at home then away
And a few theres a large difference between Home and Away ( I think Kane averages 44 away, which isnt that bad)Absolutely, but rabid Indian fans will cherry pick things like that.
44 is still very good and KW rightly sits in the pantheon of all time greats.
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There is to be a reunion of the 1999 cricket team which beat England 2-1 in England this weekend in Wellington. Most of the players will be there apart from Vettori (with Aust team) and Doull (overseas commentating commitments). Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial. The management team apart from the late DJ Graham will attend the festivities.
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Super Smash goes back to the future!
The Dream11 Super Smash is heading back to the future this summer with all 12 teams set to don retro kits.
Retro jerseys for the super smash this year. They actually look pretty cool I think. I don't think I've ever seen someone wearing a domestic cricket jersey (unless they're actually in the squad), wonder if this will change anything.
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@Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:
There is to be a reunion of the 1999 cricket team which beat England 2-1 in England this weekend in Wellington. Most of the players will be there apart from Vettori (with Aust team) and Doull (overseas commentating commitments). Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial. The management team apart from the late DJ Graham will attend the festivities.
Great series that one. Still remember waking up and seeing Cairns come in at 39/6 on an awful oval track and coming in and belting Phil Tufnell all over the park on his way to 80 which changed the match and won us the series. The slower ball which became a massive weapon of his bamboozled Graham Thorpe and Chris Read notably.
Rain saved England in Manchester, we collapsed badly in Birmingham where Alex Tudor scored 99 not out as nightwatchman, and smoked them at Lords where me old cricket coach Matt Horne scored a century. Top bloke he was. Vettori was also lethal in that series, he could turn the ball back then which made him a nightmare to play against.
Ahhh the memories haha. Cairns and Vettori in 1999/2000 were something else.
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@African-Monkey said in NZ Cricket:
@Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:
There is to be a reunion of the 1999 cricket team which beat England 2-1 in England this weekend in Wellington. Most of the players will be there apart from Vettori (with Aust team) and Doull (overseas commentating commitments). Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial. The management team apart from the late DJ Graham will attend the festivities.
Great series that one. Still remember waking up and seeing Cairns come in at 39/6 on an awful oval track and coming in and belting Phil Tufnell all over the park on his way to 80 which changed the match and won us the series. The slower ball which became a massive weapon of his bamboozled Graham Thorpe and Chris Read notably.
Rain saved England in Manchester, we collapsed badly in Birmingham where Alex Tudor scored 99 not out as nightwatchman, and smoked them at Lords where me old cricket coach Matt Horne scored a century. Top bloke he was. Vettori was also lethal in that series, he could turn the ball back then which made him a nightmare to play against.
> Ahhh the memories haha. Cairns and Vettori in 1999/2000 were something else.
What a super pair of all rounders those two were
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@Rapido said in NZ Cricket:
@Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:
Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial.
McCullum and Vincent were still 2 years away from debuting back in 1999.
Read the article. I assume they are meaning all are in Wellington this weekend for different reasons, not just the reunion.
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@Rapido said in NZ Cricket:
@Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:
Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial.
McCullum and Vincent were still 2 years away from debuting back in 1999.
Yeah Vincent got a fantastic ton against a legendary Aussie team ( plus 50 in the second innings ) on debut. Seriously, every single Aussie player was a gun.
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@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
@Snowy said in NZ Cricket:
@booboo said in NZ Cricket:
How many have reached said milestones?
19 players have reached 9000 test runs.
16 have 10,000.
Brian Lara suffers marginally in these lists because he got so few not outs. Most guys got around 20-30. Kallis got 40 and Chanderpaul got 49 !!!! Always good to boost the average a bit.
Lara got SIX.
Not an exact measure but to me he’s the best batsman of that list.
Younis Khan, Jayawardene and Sangakkara the most underrated.
Your point stands regarding averages, but the question was for aggregates. The first list in the image is also fewest innings to get there, so also takes no account of a denominator with not outs. Lara sits 4th on both, as you correctly say Kallis gets a big boost from 10th to 3rd!
The point of that is that the fewest innings list is quite a good reflection, that isn't distorted by not outs, and the associated position in a batting order that the player frequented.
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For an aggregate run total not outs in theory hurt you because you could have got more runs if you didn't run out of partners. In particular, I think Chanderpaul is probably affected by this, since from memory he batted at 5 a lot in some pretty average west Indian sides so probably ran out of partners a lot.
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