2021 Crusaders
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If Segner decides to make himself available for the good guys and turn out in Black one day, with the new rules, would he need to wait five years after leaving school?
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@Yeetyaah said in 2021 Crusaders:
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Unless for the Canes..1.94m 110kg (but looks a little heavier to me)..good number 8 body stats! (copyright Blackdragon)
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@Crazy-Horse Yes, although it seems from the language used in the explanatory guidelines that it could be possible to argue otherwise. In Segner's case, I think there may be a strong case to start counting from the day he reached the age of majority (24 July 2019). Not sure whether there's room for starting the residency period in the new country before the age of majority is reached. They'd need to be able to prove that the parental home no longer constitutes the student's permanent and primary home. I doubt receiving a full school scholarship (even if it makes them financially independent from their parents) will be enough.
In any case, it seems necessary to seek a ruling from WR's Regulations Committee.
19 What is the position of students?
As far as students are concerned, particularly those that are not financially independent, being resident, as a full-time student, in another country, is likely to be considered as a series of temporary absences from the parental home. It is anticipated that in the majority of cases involving students the parental home is likely to continue to constitute the student’s permanent and primary home. Accordingly, attendance at school by a person who has not yet reached the age of majority in such circumstances is unlikely to break a Player’s consecutive period of Residence. However, as in all matters of eligibility, the overriding concern of the Regulations Committee in assessing any such case will be to ensure that there remains a close, credible and established link with the country in which the Player claims to have retained his primary and permanent home. There could be circumstances in which a student living in another country may wish to elect to commence a new period of residency in the country in which they are studying, for example where the Player is attending college/university (having reached the age of majority) in the jurisdiction of another Union and has relocated there on a permanent basis i.e. has only taken short breaks away from that new country as set out in paragraph 16 above. In cases involving students, the relevant Union and Player are advised to request a ruling from the Regulations Committee to ensure compliance in advance of the Player representing the Union. It is not permissible for a Union or educational establishment to offer scholarships or other benefits that restrict a Player’s ability to choose which Union they wish to represent.
(3) The sixty-month residency requirement comes into effect after the cut-off date of December 31, 2021. The residency requirement up to and including December 31, 2021 is “thirty-six consecutive months of Residence immediately preceding the time of playing”.
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@Stargazer They should probably have a crack at getting him approved under the 36 month rule - nothing ventured nothing gained. He'll have served out more than 2 years by then.
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@Stargazer Yeah - I mean try to get him approved for a 3 year residency now (start date sometime before 31 December 2018) rather than waiting till say 2022 when we might actually want to pick him, but would need to argue for a start date 5 years earlier (which would be in 2017).
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From the Breakdown: the Crusaders have indeed re-signed Luke Romano.
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Announced on The Breakdown: the signing of Tamaiti Williams.
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No Codie Taylor?
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@Stargazer haha I reckon, was looking for his name in another team list.
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Media release: http://www.crusaders.co.nz/news/1495-four-players-promoted-from-crusaders-academy-as-scott-robertson-names-2021-crusaders-squad
FORWARDSMichael Alaalatoa (83)
Scott Barrett (C) (73)
Ethan Blackadder (10)
George Bower (23)
Tom Christie (11)
Whetukamokamo Douglas (32)
Mitchell Dunshea (22)
Cullen Grace (8)
Sione Havili (9)
Oliver Jager (26)
Andrew Makalio (43)
Brodie McAlister (4)
Joe Moody (94)
Fletcher Newell*
Luke Romano (134)
Tom Sanders (19)
Quinten Strange (32)
Codie Taylor (90)
Isileli Tuungafasi (10)
Samuel Whitelock (151)
Tamaiti Williams*
BACKSGeorge Bridge (61)
Fergus Burke (1)
Brett Cameron (13)
Mitchell Drummond (93)
Ereatara Enari (8)
Braydon Ennor (35)
Leicester Fainga’anuku (12)
Chay Fihaki*
Jack Goodhue (57)
Bryn Hall (64)
David Havili (84)
Will Jordan (19)
Manasa Mataele (25)
Dallas McLeod (2)
Richie Mo’unga (69)
Isaiah Punivai*
Sevu Reece (27)
*denotes player named in the Crusaders Super Rugby squad for the first time
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Largely unchanged, but if it ain't broke don't fix it I suppose.
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No Ethan Roots.
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No Rameka Poihipi?
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New: Fletcher Newell, Tamaiti Williams, Isaiah Punivai, Chay Fihaki
Departed players: Fetuli Paea (Highlanders), Billy Harmon (Highlanders), Harry Allan (injured), Inga Finau, Ethan Roots
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I assume Anton Segner has a development contract. There's no way the Crusaders will let that player be snatched up by another franchise like Sam Darry.
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@Bovidae Only guy I really thought might make it was Anton Segner, but even that would have been a bit of a project selection.
I'd listed other guys who might be worth looking at above, but didn't really expect any of them to be going to the Crusaders. Sam Matenga might have been an outside shot.
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The bulk of the Crusaders will form in Christchurch on January 11, before their All Blacks join them in the second week of February. They kickoff Super Rugby Aotearoa against the Highlanders in Dunedin on February 26, and will be without centre Braydon Ennor (knee) for the entire campaign. Wings George Bridge and Manasa Mataele will miss half the season. Robertson is soon expected to announce injury cover.
I have quoted the paragraphs about Robertson in another thread.
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At a quick glance, I think Alaalatoa and Scott Barrett are the only players from provincial teams outside Canterbury and Ta$man?
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@KiwiMurph Doh!
I knew I put that question mark there for a reason!
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@Chris-B said in 2021 Crusaders:
At a quick glance, I think Alaalatoa and Scott Barrett are the only players from provincial teams outside Canterbury and Ta$man?
Jack Goodhue (Northland)
Bryn Hall (North Harbour)
George Bower (Otago) -
Hopefully Blackadder has a big season or the loosies look a major weakness again. Douglas lucky to have a contract.
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@Crazy-Horse I think Douglas may get the role that some of the other koro have in SR squads: the experienced mentor without much game time.
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Overall, this seems like a strong Super rugby Crusaders squad.
Particularly pleased with the propping group. It doesn't quite have the same strength in depth as the Blues (with four current test props), but a starting front row of Moody, Taylor and Alaalatoa should hold up well against them. Bower and Jager (who finally started to look the part in the few bits I saw of him in M10 Cup) a decent bench, and a nod to the future with some strong young contenders in Tu'ungafasi, Newell and Williams. In fact, the Canterbury front row was one of the few consistently impressive parts of their NPC team.
No change in the hookers. Would be nice if Codie Taylor comes back in better form. Makalio a strong option off the bench and McAlister should be developing nicely for the future.
If the Blues are edging us in the propping department, we should do the same to them in the second row. Whitelock and Barrett a starting All Black combination, Strange and Dunshea on the AB fringes and Romano a powerful and experienced 5th option. Razor talked him up as a potential onfield coach.
The loose forwards aren't quite as impressive on paper - lots of potential, not so much delivery. In fact, it's hard to say what the top combination will be. I suspect that Razor might start with Grace, Christie, Sanders (a tyro All Black and the other two started for the South Island), but there's very little between Christie and Sione Havili (Player of the Year for the national champions). Ethan Blackadder has had terrible luck with injuries, but has been a dominant figure at NPC level, despite that he's not a big 6/8. On form, Whetu Douglas might be shuffled down the pecking order and have to bide his time. We might also see Dunshea play in the loosies at some point.
No change in the halfbacks. The old firm of Hall and Drummond, with Enari as the promising youngster. I'd like to see Enari step his game up significantly this year if he's to be the way of the future.
No change among the first fives either. Remains a significant point of weakness if Mo'unga gets injured. However, Fergus Burke has probably improved and Brett Cameron even had a couple of decent games for Canterbury when the heat was on at the end. Started to look like a decent NPC first five.
Midfield also seems a bit thin with Ennor injured and apparently gone for the season. I'd be inclined to pair Havili and Goodhue, which is potentially more dangerous than Goodhue-Ennor, with Jack at 13. Burke, McLeod and Fainga'anuku behind these guys are more promising than inspiring of confidence. I'd rather have had Fetuli Paea as a back up centre.
Outside backs are absolutely laden with firepower. I think we'll start with Big Leicester, Sevu Reece and Will Jordan - but, with Bridge, Mataele, Fihaki and Punavai in the wings and Havili also around to play fullback.
XXIII for game 1: Moody, Taylor, Alaalatoa, Whitelock, Barrett, Grace, Christie, Sanders, Hall, Mo'unga, Fainga'anuku, D. Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
Makalio, Bower, Jager, Strange, S. Havili, Drummond, Burke, Fihaki
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@Gunner said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Chris-B You think Robertson will drop Bridge? Or will he still be recovering from his injury come the start of the comp?
Sorry, quoting myself is easier than re-posting:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Crusaders:
They kickoff Super Rugby Aotearoa against the Highlanders in Dunedin on February 26, and will be without centre Braydon Ennor (knee) for the entire campaign. Wings George Bridge and Manasa Mataele will miss half the season. Robertson is soon expected to announce injury cover.
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@Chris-B said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Bovidae Only guy I really thought might make it was Anton Segner, but even that would have been a bit of a project selection.
I'd listed other guys who might be worth looking at above, but didn't really expect any of them to be going to the Crusaders. Sam Matenga might have been an outside shot.
I was thinking about the Ta$man props in particular, including Coxon, compared to the greenhorn Cantabs.
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@Chris-B segner will be in the squad as cover until Blackadder is fit. Apparently he’s in chch till at least April. Hopefully get in some club games in chch. Josh McKay is cover as well apparently
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@Bovidae said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Chris-B said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Bovidae Only guy I really thought might make it was Anton Segner, but even that would have been a bit of a project selection.
I'd listed other guys who might be worth looking at above, but didn't really expect any of them to be going to the Crusaders. Sam Matenga might have been an outside shot.
I was thinking about the Ta$man props in particular, including Coxon, compared to the greenhorn Cantabs.
Coxon was a Chief last year, wasn't he - though probably came in late?
Ta$man props went OK, but our scrum was under pressure against most of the big teams (not Wellington, though). I'm not sure how much Coxon, Salmon or Princep can lift their ceilings. Matenga was the guy who impressed me most - but, he's also a greenhorn.
I'll probably attract flak if I point out that we've got three props spread across the various squads.
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@Bovidae said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Chris-B said in 2021 Crusaders:
@Bovidae Only guy I really thought might make it was Anton Segner, but even that would have been a bit of a project selection.
I'd listed other guys who might be worth looking at above, but didn't really expect any of them to be going to the Crusaders. Sam Matenga might have been an outside shot.
I was thinking about the Ta$man props in particular, including Coxon, compared to the greenhorn Cantabs.
Nah I think its was a great move picking Willams and Newell according to some experts these are the Brest 2 props to come through the NZ system for some time they just need some development time.
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@Chris-B said in 2021 Crusaders:
Overall, this seems like a strong Super rugby Crusaders squad.
Particularly pleased with the propping group. It doesn't quite have the same strength in depth as the Blues (with four current test props), but a starting front row of Moody, Taylor and Alaalatoa should hold up well against them. Bower and Jager (who finally started to look the part in the few bits I saw of him in M10 Cup) a decent bench, and a nod to the future with some strong young contenders in Tu'ungafasi, Newell and Williams. In fact, the Canterbury front row was one of the few consistently impressive parts of their NPC team.
No change in the hookers. Would be nice if Codie Taylor comes back in better form. Makalio a strong option off the bench and McAlister should be developing nicely for the future.
If the Blues are edging us in the propping department, we should do the same to them in the second row. Whitelock and Barrett a starting All Black combination, Strange and Dunshea on the AB fringes and Romano a powerful and experienced 5th option. Razor talked him up as a potential onfield coach.
The loose forwards aren't quite as impressive on paper - lots of potential, not so much delivery. In fact, it's hard to say what the top combination will be. I suspect that Razor might start with Grace, Christie, Sanders (a tyro All Black and the other two started for the South Island), but there's very little between Christie and Sione Havili (Player of the Year for the national champions). Ethan Blackadder has had terrible luck with injuries, but has been a dominant figure at NPC level, despite that he's not a big 6/8. On form, Whetu Douglas might be shuffled down the pecking order and have to bide his time. We might also see Dunshea play in the loosies at some point.
No change in the halfbacks. The old firm of Hall and Drummond, with Enari as the promising youngster. I'd like to see Enari step his game up significantly this year if he's to be the way of the future.
No change among the first fives either. Remains a significant point of weakness if Mo'unga gets injured. However, Fergus Burke has probably improved and Brett Cameron even had a couple of decent games for Canterbury when the heat was on at the end. Started to look like a decent NPC first five.
Midfield also seems a bit thin with Ennor injured and apparently gone for the season. I'd be inclined to pair Havili and Goodhue, which is potentially more dangerous than Goodhue-Ennor, with Jack at 13. Burke, McLeod and Fainga'anuku behind these guys are more promising than inspiring of confidence. I'd rather have had Fetuli Paea as a back up centre.
Outside backs are absolutely laden with firepower. I think we'll start with Big Leicester, Sevu Reece and Will Jordan - but, with Bridge, Mataele, Fihaki and Punavai in the wings and Havili also around to play fullback.
XXIII for game 1: Moody, Taylor, Alaalatoa, Whitelock, Barrett, Grace, Christie, Sanders, Hall, Mo'unga, Fainga'anuku, D. Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
Makalio, Bower, Jager, Strange, S. Havili, Drummond, Burke, Fihaki
Punivai likely to get some game time at centre as that is his real position.
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Renton was very good for Ta$man during the last rounds of the M10 Cup. He could have been useful in a rather "meh" loosies' squad.
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@cgrant said in 2021 Crusaders:
Renton was very good for Ta$man during the last rounds of the M10 Cup. He could have been useful in a rather "meh" loosies' squad.
I think you under rate the LFs a little bit
Grace and Blackadder carry and hit hard
Havilli is the same for a 7
Sanders free of injuries last season went up a couple of levels he performed very well and stood up in the North v South match .
A lot more in that group than people give them credit for.
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