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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan was delta less lethal? i thought the lower death rates were all down to vaccines or some level of immunity from those that had survived catching covid
That is the general trend as a virus evolves
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@canefan yeah, i get thats what generally happens long term for viruses but didn't think it was always a linear trend through variants and though the original messaging was Delta was more deadly, maybe that was just proven wrong
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan yeah, i get thats what generally happens long term for viruses but didn't think it was always a linear trend through variants and though the original messaging was Delta was more deadly, maybe that was just proven wrong
Yeah I can't remember. Seems like each time a new variant rolls in everyone in the media loses their shit over it. Governments are closing up in response too
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@kiwiwomble Modelling assumptions in NZ are that Delta causes more hospitalisations and is more deadly than older variants, but they are struggling to work out how much improved treatment has reduced it.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kiwiwomble Modelling assumptions in NZ are that Delta causes more hospitalisations and is more deadly than older variants, but they are struggling to work out how much improved treatment has reduced it.
I hates modellers
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kiwiwomble Modelling assumptions in NZ are that Delta causes more hospitalisations and is more deadly than older variants, but they are struggling to work out how much improved treatment has reduced it.
I hates modellers
We loves wags
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kiwiwomble Modelling assumptions in NZ are that Delta causes more hospitalisations and is more deadly than older variants, but they are struggling to work out how much improved treatment has reduced it.
I hates modellers
We loves wags
I'd loves Wags to bowl bodyline at a team of modellers and epidemiologists
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kiwiwomble Modelling assumptions in NZ are that Delta causes more hospitalisations and is more deadly than older variants, but they are struggling to work out how much improved treatment has reduced it.
I hates modellers
We loves wags
I'd loves Wags to bowl bodyline at a team of modellers and epidemiologists
Start a givealittle page. I'm on for that.
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Japan continues to have low rates for new infections and deaths from Delta.
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People are getting a bit pissed off that exit/entry procedures are still really time consuming.
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal except for everyone wearing masks, checking temperatures, and sterilizing hands on entry to a building.
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal
small sacrifices really...?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal
small sacrifices really...?
Sorry, by entry/exit I meant international travel (the '3 day' thing turns out to be a bust, as even business travelers can hardly use it).
Daily stuff is second nature now.
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There's a lot of articles about how rich countries are failing, as not providing vaccines to poorer Nations which allows new variants to appear. I know NZ has given away half a million to various Pacific Islands, even sent the navy in to do the vax in some. But how much of the lack of vaccination in some poorer countries is to do with not been given Vax, versus resistance/apathy about being vaccinated? South Africa, the probable birthplace of
NuXiOmicron:"I do think that the decision that South Africa is going to have to make is probably around mandatory vaccination," said Mosa Moshabela, professor of public health at the University of KwaZulu-Natal in Durban.
Demand for the vaccine has been so sluggish that the government recently requested slower deliveries to allow it time to use up its current stock of 19 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson shots.
Won't apply everywhere, but that's pretty damning
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@machpants variants are going to happen if the vaccine allows transmission, which it does so there really is nothing to blame here. Just nature doing its work.
another theory is that vaccination during the pandemic encourages mutations.
I wonder how quick well be to stop mandates if this variant A) becomes dominant and is vaccine resistant.
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@machpants variants are going to happen if the vaccine allows transmission, which it does so there really is nothing to blame here. Just nature doing its work.
another theory is that vaccination during the pandemic encourages mutations.
I wonder how quick well be to stop mandates if this variant A) becomes dominant and is vaccine resistant.
Not quite, you will get variants but the rate of change is massively reduced in a fully/mostly vaccinationed population. Less transmission (which vax does) = less variants. Along with the vaccine load of infected vaccinated people being much less.
Mandates will stay as it maybe that our current vaccines are less effective, there will be adapted vaccines out within months.
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@machpants variants are going to happen if the vaccine allows transmission, which it does so there really is nothing to blame here. Just nature doing its work.
another theory is that vaccination during the pandemic encourages mutations.
I wonder how quick well be to stop mandates if this variant A) becomes dominant and is vaccine resistant.
Well SA has 20% Vaccination rate and Africa as a whole 6%, so that kills that theory for (sigh, stupid name) Omnicron.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Omnicron.
so stupid you cant spell it right
Omicron
I refuse.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Omnicron.
so stupid you cant spell it right
Omicron
I refuse.
Racist...... You're obviously a Greek hater
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